Peachy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I'm sure many of us will understand that there are many preconceived ideas and prejudice about many breeds but I'm really disappointed that some of that can be displayed in a forum such as this where, in my mind, it is appreciated due to members open-minded attitudes. Many of us have come up against ignorance more than once. I regularly see ill-informed dog owners clutching their small breeds in their arms, mumbling remarks about my dogs thinking of theirs as a rabbit and wanting to eat them, as I walk past with three sighthounds on the lead. Yet one of my dogs was attacked by a dachshund, because he simply walked past on the lead, and needed stitches under a GA. I know that Harry was discriminated against because he 'is ugly' and he clearly is not. Bull breed owners suffer disrespect due to ignorance and willingness to believe all that is in print. Wendy suffered a few days ago when someone was stupid enough to think a frightened blind dog on a lead is a vicious threat to other dogs, even when the other owners dogs were out of control. Even Kazz has suffered this week when someone thought a happy dog would be better off PTS. Ignorance is all around is and, sadly, it takes many forms; not least in the form of the people who should be standing with us on this - other dog owners. This thread could go on and on but the tragedy is that no real facts are known. They possibly never will be. Ignorance is a very, very ugly trait so we should all try to be a little more understanding and well-informed before making sweeping statements or fighting battles we know very little about. Dirtychicken is right. People should read the articles in the BSL thread or on the DNB website. When you can understand a small part of what people go through due to ignorance, it will break your heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGAR Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 (edited) I just wanted to add: when I was attacked by the Labrador a few years back I barely managed to fight him off. A less dog savvy person or a child would have had it at that moment as he meant business. Does that mean I wont help another Lab in need? Hell no, I have taken in and rehomed several since. Edited December 30, 2007 by EGAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pingu Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I have just read on another forum that the dog that killed Ellie Laurenson lived outside as did the 2 rotties that killed the boy at the pub and as did this rottie that killed the boy. Surely this has to be more than coincidence. These have to be guard dogs that are not socialised at all. Seems a huge link there between the 3. It is not family pets doing this maybe that should be emphasised more as It makes us look at it in a different light to us guys who dont really know the breed. you really dont have a clue what you are talking about do you? maybe beore you form opinions you should seek out more information on the subject. i too am glad you have reconsidered having a rottie, the last thing the breed needs is somone who is not commited to it and who takes one on without knowing the first thing about them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rotties Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Unfortunatly the people that are attracted to my breed are not always the ones that do their research on the breed, the nastier they are made out in the media the more some "types" will want one Please folk dont fight amongs our selves, some of us live with the breed and some of us dont, some understand the dnb, others dont. We do need to educate but not by shouting at someone that doesn't quite "get it" I for one would love to see breeding restictions, dont know how it would be done and if someone with real knowledge could temperment test before before a dog was allowed to breed. I wouldn't mind having to have a licience to show I have done my research and understand the breed before being allowed to own one. However I look at my Elle and think of my bridge boy Red, they havent done anything wrong, why should they be muzzled when out and about. Why should they be killed if the powers that be decided they were now going to be illegal, I repeat, my dogs havent done anything wrong!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracyb Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Brought this across from Rottweiler Shack Uk. For anyone who isn't aware of the site owning rotts or any dog- I'm sure they will welcome you on the site. They're volunteers- a lovely friendly group, some who I've met some who I haven't but they know rotts. They own them. You'll also find Jon on there aka zepthedep. He is a RESPONSIBLE Rottweiler Charity- one of the few with charity status-check out zepthe dep website as well. They rehome rotts-only after personally assensing the dog, home checking & careful consideration. They offer full back up & have a fantastic group of foster carers for the dogs. It is the human's that need more education, the breed is a wonderful family dog-in the right hands. A dog left outside in a yard or chained up is not a well socialised animal-that goes for any dog. KENNEL CLUB RESPONSE TO ROTTWEILER ATTACK DEAL WITH THE DEED NOT THE BREED It's time to better protect the public and encourage responsible dog ownership The Kennel Club is extremely shocked and saddened by the tragic incident that has resulted in the death of a one year old boy in Wakefield. Our thoughts and condolences are with the boy's family and everyone who knew him. This dreadful news highlights two things. Firstly, the need for a revision to the current Dangerous Dogs Act to place more responsibility on the owners of aggressive dogs, to cover the actions of the dog rather than the dog's breed or type (deed not breed) and to apply to incidents that take place on private property. Secondly the need to educate the public on the vital importance of training dogs correctly and to punish those that fail to do so. The importance of training and education cannot be overstressed since displays of aggressive behaviour by any dog, regardless of breed is the responsibility of the dog's owner and in the wrong hands, any type of dog can be dangerous. Caroline Kisko, Kennel Club Secretary said: "The key is in taking preventative measures, so these types of attacks don't arise in the first place. These measures include awareness, education and training - the onus being on the owner. A responsible dog owner knows that you never leave a dog and a child, especially an infant, alone and unattended. It is the responsibility of parents, teachers, and the government to educate dog owners and children with what to do and what not to do when they are in the company of a dog". The Kennel Club offers two education programmes; one aimed at children - Safe and Sound, and one for dog-owning adults, the Good Citizen Dog Scheme. The purpose of the Safe and Sound Scheme is to promote the safe interaction between children and dogs, and teach children how to behave around dogs to stay safe. The scheme is in the form of a fun, interactive programme, and is very popular with children. The Good Citizen Dog Scheme, aimed at adults, covers both the theory and practical dog training skills, which are important in everyday life situations. There are three levels of award, adding to the incentive to take part in the scheme Caroline Kisko added "Our deepest sympathies are with the family after what has been a horrendous incident. As far as any future action is concerned we would counsel a measured response rather than an immediate reaction. We have long been working with representatives of the Metropolitan Police and other organisations on our objectives for future dangerous dog legislation, which we believe would better protect the public and the welfare of dogs. The original legislation was drafted in haste in response to a spate of dog biting incidents in the late 1980's, and it's because this legislation was a knee-jerk reaction that it was poorly drafted and these incidents continue to occur. Another hasty decision will do nothing to address the real issues of responsible dog ownership". ENDS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooandboo Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Please folk dont fight amongs our selves, some of us live with the breed and some of us dont, some understand the dnb, others dont. We do need to educate but not by shouting at someone that doesn't quite "get it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGAR Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Doesn't quite get it??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzie Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Anyone planning on becoming a dog owner should read the BSL threads before even contemplating getting a pet. Then they would be aware that BSL could be applied to any breed, would they want to go through the heartache those owners have? Any dog is capable of inflicting terrible injuries to a human, I don't care what its size is, dog bites hurt like hell and in a panic situation you could actually make matters worse. As owners we should be looking for education programmes and advising non dog owners not to come up and pet the lovely doggie without our permission. How many times have we all been out there when some numpty just jumps in to hug and pet your dog without making sure its safe to do so? A friend of mine had a Golden Retriever bitch, a very loving dog, one day it attacked her, if it hadn't been for a neighbour hearing her screams she would probably have died. I have seen the scars on her, after plastic surgery. Not pretty at all. Yes, the dog was PTS and the reason for the attack? The dog didn't want to be left alone, so whenever she reached for her handbag the dog growled. That day the handbag was reached for and.....well there's the story. If that had been a child, it wouldn't have had a chance. That is one of the so called placid breeds, so don't get lulled into a false sense of security by saying one breed is more prone to attacking than another. Turn the tide, use the BSL threads to educate, and if you do read through them, I defy you to do it without using a complete box of tissues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandmy4? Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 We are not all experts. I will always see it as a childs death 1st and foremost I cant help that its the way I am and to me that is the most important isuue a child lost its life. I never once said I was popping out to buy a rottie out of freeads I simply said "maybe one day would have one" which is very different. I find it very offensive the personal attacks coming my way as I have a different opinion, must I think the same as the majority to post. I havent personally attacked anyone just asked questions to further knowledge and understand and build up an all round picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie No Dots Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 This dreadful news highlights two things. Firstly, the need for a revision to the current Dangerous Dogs Act to place more responsibility on the owners of aggressive dogs, to cover the actions of the dog rather than the dog's breed or type (deed not breed) and to apply to incidents that take place on private property. Show me one person who, after an incident, is not heartbroken? I honestly do not agree with covering private property after an event. We are not all experts. I will always see it as a childs death 1st and foremost I cant help that its the way I am and to me that is the most important isuue a child lost its life. And it isnt the most important thing for us too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happylittlegreensquirrel Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 We are not all experts. I will always see it as a childs death 1st and foremost I cant help that its the way I am and to me that is the most important isuue a child lost its life. I never once said I was popping out to buy a rottie out of freeads I simply said "maybe one day would have one" which is very different.I find it very offensive the personal attacks coming my way as I have a different opinion, must I think the same as the majority to post. I havent personally attacked anyone just asked questions to further knowledge and understand and build up an all round picture. I think the reason you have upset some people is some poor choice of language ( and okay we all do that ) but also you do keep changing your viewpoint. again during discussion we often change our views after debate but you do seem to be changing it rather a lot and to be honest it looks like trolling why don't you take some time to read back over the BSL section and get a feel for the whole background, you are as always entitled to have a view opposing the majority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shazzy Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Caroline Kisko, Kennel Club Secretary said: "The key is in taking preventative measures, so these types of attacks don't arise in the first place. These measures include awareness, education and training - the onus being on the owner. A responsible dog owner knows that you never leave a dog and a child, especially an infant, alone and unattended. It is the responsibility of parents, teachers, and the government to educate dog owners and children with what to do and what not to do when they are in the company of a dog". Can I just say that the "owner" of the dog wasnt there when this happened. I totally agree that owners should be educated and aware and responsible, we wouldnt have quite so many dogs in rescues for one. I like to think that I am a responsible dog owner, but Im not with my dogs 24/7, but whilst Im out they are secure in our garden. If this dog was responsibly cared for and we have no reason to believe it wasnt perhaps it did indeed look to its owner for guidance - its owner wasnt there to help. Im not saying its her fault we are not with our dogs all the time. The poor dog was kept in a secure yard. The children were in the house. The door was shut. This was human error by a child. Perhaps I am missing the point. It is very rare for a dog to attack for no reason. The only time I have been bitten is when trying to help a frightened or injured dog. My children were brought up with dogs and are dog savvy but it didnt stop eldest son being bitten by a GSD because without thinking he jumped their wall trying to get his ball back. This was a split second decision on his part my son knew he had done wrong but it happened all the same. This poor little boy probably knew that he shouldnt go out to the dog, but he did it all the same. I hate the press and all they say, and I wish the human race could get out of this blame culture we see everywhere. For how ever long we are blessed to be able to share our lives with animals, accidents will happen, whether it be a dog bite, a horse fall, tiger attack or trampled by an elephant. I for one will be giving extra kisses to the Mastiff and two Rotties in the park tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReikiAnge Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 We are not all experts. I will always see it as a childs death 1st and foremost I cant help that its the way I am and to me that is the most important isuue a child lost its life. I never once said I was popping out to buy a rottie out of freeads I simply said "maybe one day would have one" which is very different.I find it very offensive the personal attacks coming my way as I have a different opinion, must I think the same as the majority to post. I havent personally attacked anyone just asked questions to further knowledge and understand and build up an all round picture. I imagine the vast majority, if not all, members will see the child's death as the most important issue. I do have dogs and no children but I love children (well the nice ones anyway) and have a young nephew and friends with young children and I find the thought of a child losing their life, in whatever way, heartbreaking. I am also devastated when an animal is killed. I was about to say the same as Sam - do take a look through the BSL (breed specific legislation) section here: http://www.rykat.org/forums/index.php?showforum=97 and the Deed Not Breed (DNB) website and maybe you will see where others are coming from then: http://www.deednotbreed.org.uk and understand why some of your comments may be upsetting to other members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Rotties Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 according to a post on dp a rottie rescue in Wales has had 12 hand overs yesterday and MT has took in 3 today?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReikiAnge Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 according to a post on dp a rottie rescue in Wales has had 12 hand overs yesterday and MT has took in 3 today?? It makes me so sad that people who have shared their lives with lovely dogs for however many months or years will suddenly "want rid" because of one awful incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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