Melp Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I am very disappointed at the total lack of comment from anyone at the Kennel Club. Rotties are one of their most popular breeds [and one of the largest classes at Crufts apparantly] to be saying nothing at all, in my opinion is very silly of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura g Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 unless people work to the problem prior to an attack we will be. this made me think of the convo i had with my mum last night about this story. she has the tiniest cottage. in the middle of a row. long garden. old fashioned because each garden has an interconnecting gate that you're not supposed to make any taller than the 2.5' it is and you're not allowed to block or lock. to do with work and rubbish collecting etc. anyway. our guys are never off the lead in her garden. a fence that height is nothing to them. they'd be gone. to my mums right she has a family with two young kids. then there's mums, then another house...then a lady with a rottie. a lovely dog; placid as anything if she is off her own territory but you would not go into her garden uninvited. Mum has often worried about kids from next door garden hopping towards the dog. they already come into her garden if they lose a ball. what if they got bold and jumped two more down? she's spoken to the mum and dad. blank faces. and she's spoken to the rottie owner who doesn't see it as a problem. mum has now decided she's got to do her bit. so in addition to contacting the council to register the low fencing as a potential hazard, she's going to use orange webbing to make a temporary moveable barrier. as she sees it, there's children and a dog that need protecting. not her job - but she cannot sit and watch an possible accident unfold. and ps: it might be this story that has been the catalyst but she'd act whatever the neighbours dog was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpole Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 (edited) And as for ridiculing her line of argument with what a difference a day makes, although I appreciate the variance , as I recall some of you did want Ellie Lawrenson's family dragged into court and punished didn't you? what i meant by that comment is that yesterday meandmyfour was proclaiming she would one day own a rottie, i assumed at that time that she knew and loved the breed and that as she was planning getting one may even have researched how big and powerful they were but today she does not think she can handle one, if this hadnt happened then would one day meandmy4 gone out and got a dog she couldnt handle and just like this family have found that out too late? would it then be fair to villify her should anything happen and treat her as a murderer because she had a dog she thought she could handle until something went wrong and then found she couldnt. this is not aimed at meandmy4 and i have kept quiet on her previous posts as she is entitled to an opinion it just echoes what hundreds of ordinary people do when buying or rescuing a dog, it is also why people are so complacent with dogs and children they do not realise the dangers until its too late and do not in my mind deserve to be punished further. as regards ellie lawrenson i think youll find that that was a different scenario it was not innocent ignorance that caused her death it was a drunken grandma who decided to let in an illegal dog who had already attacked a family member previously, after it had spent all night outside being terrified out of its wits by fireworks which in my mind suggests culpability sorry if you took me to be ridiculing anyone i wasnt i was just proving a point edited to say i luffs snowball Edited December 30, 2007 by Rumpole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I just find it so hard and disheartening when so called fellow dog people can't see past a "type" of dog. I own two male Rottweilers and also own a GSD, I was also a Military dog handler ( working GSD's and the odd Rottweiler)and never once not ever ( well apart from having to lift dogs in to the back of Bedfords) has my strength come in to play, it's about understanding dogs and reading them, and using the one tool that we have that is more evolved than theirs ,our brain, it's about knowing YOUR dogs, reading them and knowing what they are going to do before they do it, or sometimes even think it, treating a dog as a dog and respecting it for such, because dogs are wonderful ,they are not little humans in fur coats. It's true Rott's aren't for everyone, but I would like to think that people who would like own one would know all about the breed before even considering it, because if you haven't considered what it's like to live with a dog any dog, then you a purely going on looks which is the worst possible reason to want a dog. I hope people who can see Rottweilers for the amazing dogs they truly are, will support our wonderful breed through this saddening time, or those who don't know of the breed will find about them and see the real side of the Rottweiler and not the side the Press portrays. Is a horrendous time for Bull Breed owners and Rottweiler owners, and dog owners in general, all dog lovers need to stand together and help these breeds, not sit a pick the breeds apart on a public forum, because ffs if we who love dogs can't sing off the same hymn sheet what hope have our dogs really got.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie No Dots Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 The lady who says she is 7 stone but her dogs weigh 130 kilos, could you physically control them if they turned? Define turned. My dogs are well socialised, fairly well trained and so are my kids. The chances of them "turning" imho is slim and would need a reason. Short of illness or my children being unpredictable around my dogs (unlikely , they respond to voice commands too in general) then i will only ever need my voice. I do not allow them to become even slightly out of my control. They become slightly hyper even in play and I put a stop to it. Everything is controlled. All remain calm and steady and thats by me using my voice more than physical strength. I do not walk my dogs together and i do not let them off lead. I remain in control at all times and thats what makes my dogs safe around my children. If something should happen my dogs on a couple of occasions have looked to me to protect not taken it upon themselves. If it ever comes to a show of strength then yes, i beleive i could handle them physically and with words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mooandboo Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 OH recently separated three dogs (two of which were ours ) who'd decided to have a fight. He's 6ft tall and over 13 stone but found the hardest dog to remove from the fight was also the smallest and more slightly built - she was more agile, twisted and turned and snapped constantly. Islay who stayed out of the fight thankfully, hasn't an ounce of flesh on her but has a temper which outweighs both of my heavier built males together and she rules them with an iron fist - she is also the one I would least like to separate. All my dogs are crossbreeds. I don't think size or breed of dog can be pigeonholed as some people would like - they all need to be treated with respect and as people have so rightly already said, as another species with a very different language and behaviour from our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lainey Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I totally agree with 'education' being the way forward, but unfortunately you can only educate people who want to be educated. those people who want it, allready have it cos they were interested enough to learn (like a lot of you on here), the rest will continue to remain uneducated cos they are not interested. They have not learned from previous fatal attacks, and i cant see that they will learn from the next one either. There will also always be the general opinion of "it will never happen to me" to contend with I sincerely wish all the luck in the world to those of you who are trying to educate the public, and i hope the public will start to listen to you and really start to hear and understand what you are saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranirottie Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I agree with the last comments wholeheartedly. When i walked my dogs it was always my jack russell Jess that i had to keep my eye on and put back on the lead at the first signs of any tension.She was a scrapper and quick to react to aggro from any other dog so was frequently walked on a retractable lead.Any owner should be able to read their owns dogs subtle signs and react. Strength doesn't come into it.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 all dog lovers need to stand together and help these breeds, Bloody well said! I know DNB are seen as being "pit bull people" because until now, the only dogs affected by current legislation have been pit bull types. If there is any suggestion of Rotties being added or restricted, or any other breed for that matter we will fight for those too. We as DOG lovers will fight for any breed and I wish to God that others would join the fight and help us. We need it, the dogs need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted December 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Bloody well said! I know DNB are seen as being "pit bull people" because until now, the only dogs affected by current legislation have been pit bull types. If there is any suggestion of Rotties being added or restricted, or any other breed for that matter we will fight for those too. We as DOG lovers will fight for any breed and I wish to God that others would join the fight and help us. We need it, the dogs need it. Hear hear! I know this probably isn't the place or the time to ask this, but I'm assuming that if anyone gets even the slightest hint of a whiff of other dogs being added to the DDA, they'd post it wouldn't they? Obviously on another thread and I'll steer clear from mentioning it on this one as we're all thinking of the family and the boy too. Oh forget it. Sorry, I'm waffling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Yes Kathy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyMalc Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I am very disappointed at the total lack of comment from anyone at the Kennel Club. Rotties are one of their most popular breeds [and one of the largest classes at Crufts apparantly] to be saying nothing at all, in my opinion is very silly of them. I've clicked on one of the links to the rags and actually saw a comment by Caroline Kisko. I did see the RSPCA quoted everywhere, maybe the press scum media just haven't used their comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jemimap Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I have kept away from all tv today as i knew it would wind me up. I have just been and walked my too powerful ridgbacks. Both are probably more powerful than a rottie, i weigh about 8 and a half stone and my dogs weigh at least 7 stone more than me but i control them, even my big male who can stil be iffy with strange dogs. A couple of the local kids had asked earlier if they could walk with me. Anyhow, one of them (who is only 10 years old) asked me if i'd heard about this. He said "it could of just been jealous, maybe it was used to all the attention from the grandparents and wasn't happy it was getting left out" Now i'm not for one minute saying this is why it happened, we don't know why. But if a 10 year old can see that it could be for several reasons and nothing to do with the breed of dog, surely 'grownups' can? One of my fears is the more this kind of reporting happens the more idiots will get a rottie because they want a big dog with that kind of reputation. These are the very kind of peopl who are likely to treat a dog in such a way that it does end up vicsious and so then the cycle continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumpole Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 Hear hear! I know this probably isn't the place or the time to ask this, but I'm assuming that if anyone gets even the slightest hint of a whiff of other dogs being added to the DDA, they'd post it wouldn't they? Obviously on another thread and I'll steer clear from mentioning it on this one as we're all thinking of the family and the boy too. Oh forget it. Sorry, I'm waffling. youll hear me shouting it from the rooftops easily should that happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim Posted December 30, 2007 Report Share Posted December 30, 2007 I am very disappointed at the total lack of comment from anyone at the Kennel Club. Rotties are one of their most popular breeds [and one of the largest classes at Crufts apparantly] to be saying nothing at all, in my opinion is very silly of them. One of my members has posted a press release from them Melp, I''ve checked the site and can't see where he got it from so have just asked him??? Once I've confirmed where he got it from I'll link to or post on here.... Bloody well said! I know DNB are seen as being "pit bull people" because until now, the only dogs affected by current legislation have been pit bull types. If there is any suggestion of Rotties being added or restricted, or any other breed for that matter we will fight for those too. We as DOG lovers will fight for any breed and I wish to God that others would join the fight and help us. We need it, the dogs need it. Well all you have to do is at any time for anything is give our members a shout, owning Rott's we know what it's like to be seen as the "naughty dog" owners... We will help any breed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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