Baby Killed By Rottweiler

[Shazzy]

To my mind this is still an accident - albeit a tragic accident.

 

We can try and educate owners on responsible dog handling but can we in all honesty say that this type of scenario will not happen again.

 

Who is to say that another 7 yr old will not take his new playmate to see the doggie in the garden, or the doggy down the road. We all know what small children are like when they make up their minds. We cant watch children 24/7.

 

Who's to say that this dog hadnt been tormented through the fence by children passing - which we know also happens.

 

Who's to say that a car hadnt backfired at the precise moment the door was opened.

 

Or even could this dog have lived a happy life somewhere else but was pushed out on the arrival of a baby ( because that never happens does it!)

 

What also could have happened is the child took the toddler out the front door and into the path of a car.

 

To me a string of tragic circumstances evolving into the death of a child.

 

At least to me dogs and animals do not pre-meditate killing only humans are capable of that.

 

Also as I predicted the conversation became heated whilst out to dinner last night, primarily by a colleague who is not dog friendly - who also proceeded to drink 4 or 5 glasses of wine, a large brandy and DROVE HOME

[blackmagic]

The response was also posted on the obedienceuk list. I think it was emailed to those who get the email newsletters.

 

It is up to the press whether they publish press releases. It appears they chose not to in this case.

[meandmy4?]

I have just read on another forum that the dog that killed Ellie Laurenson lived outside as did the 2 rotties that killed the boy at the pub and as did this rottie that killed the boy. Surely this has to be more than coincidence. These have to be guard dogs that are not socialised at all. Seems a huge link there between the 3. It is not family pets doing this maybe that should be emphasised more as It makes us look at it in a different light to us guys who dont really know the breed.

[blackmagic]

Hear hear!

 

I know this probably isn't the place or the time to ask this, but I'm assuming that if anyone gets even the slightest hint of a whiff of other dogs being added to the DDA, they'd post it wouldn't they? Obviously on another thread and I'll steer clear from mentioning it on this one as we're all thinking of the family and the boy too.

 

Oh forget it. Sorry, I'm waffling.

 

 

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20071230/tuk-...-dba1618_1.html

[BillyMalc]

I'd have serious concerns for anyone who thinks that controlling animals, any animal, is about showing displays of muscular strength. Slightly off topic, but between 9 and 24 years of age I rode horses, and ate, drank, breathed, lived horses throughout my teenage years. My best friend during that time was a horse who stood 17 hands tall (i.e. just under 6 ft for those who don't 'do' hands ), while I was an ickle just about 5 ft, maybe 8 stone teenager. If pure strength would have come into that relationship I would have been killed by him - unintentionally, but even so, as he was about 100 (??) stone.

 

I think other people have already given far better examples of how they control their big, heavy dogs. It's not through physical strength, it's through establishing a relationship whereby a dog, whatever their size, looks at you for guidance should they find themselves in an unfamiliar situation.

 

I've always been around lots of different dogs, and I have been attacked once, by a huskyXcollie. I did read his warning signals, but too late. Blue (the dog) was lighter than me, but that didn't stop him attacking me or me being able to stop him. Fortunately it was winter and a big coat prevented me from having anymore damage done than a badly bruised wrist.

 

I've talked to my vet about the whole "dangerous dogs" concept, and she told me that the only time she'd been seriously hurt by a dog it was a Jack Russell

[Kim]

It shouldn't, why should it? You are judging a breed by what you are reading?? Get out and get to know some Rottweilers, as Tracy posted there are Rotty walks done to raise funds for rescue, get out and meet the breeds before you judge them.. Remember this is the Press talking, we don't KNOW the true story, we never will as christ I'm sure the truth will make boring reading... How can you have wanted to own a breed you know nothing about??? If you wanted this breed what attracted you to it, because it can't be the temp or personality of this breed. I really really could cry with frustration here...

[Rumpole]

reuben who killed ellie was banished outside after he had attacked ellies adult auntie who also lived at the house, it was admitted in court that the dog was regularly punched and kicked by its owner, and that the dog had been terrified of the fireworks that had gone on earlier in the evening, yet despite this her grandmother who was under the influence of drink and prescription drugs at the time decided at gone four in the morning to do what she had been forbidden to do and allow the dog into the house with the child.

 

the little girl was attacked by the two rotties when a door was accidentally left open and the two guard dogs got into her room

 

 

in my mind each case is very different but the consequences were the same a loss of life lessons to be learned but they havent been and its happened again

[dirtychicken]

I have just read on another forum that the dog that killed Ellie Laurenson lived outside as did the 2 rotties that killed the boy at the pub and as did this rottie that killed the boy. Surely this has to be more than coincidence. These have to be guard dogs that are not socialised at all. Seems a huge link there between the 3. It is not family pets doing this maybe that should be emphasised more as It makes us look at it in a different light to us guys who dont really know the breed.

 

Can you just clarify something for me please? You mentioned earlier about a baby being killed in a pub 6 months ago and now about a boy being killed at a pub. It is entirely possible that I've missed this report because I'm a a bit scant with the news but what incident was this? Or do you mean the baby girl that was killed by the 2 rottweilers back in September last year? I'm not nit-picking or anything, but I'm just thinking that I've missed something

 

And the details about the dog that killed Ellie Lawrenson can probably be found in the BSL section of this forum. It is a section that is really worth a read if you want to get more facts to arm yourself with for any more "discussions" in the pub but I'd recommend that you arm yourself with some tissues because to read what the owners of these so called "dangerous" dogs have to go through with their beloved pets is heartbreaking

Edited December 30, 2007 by dirtychicken

[Rumpole]

Can you just clarify something for me please? You mentioned earlier about a baby being killed in a pub 6 months ago and now about a boy being killed at a pub. It is entirely possible that I've missed this report because I'm a a bit scant with the news but what incident was this? Or do you mean the baby girl that was killed by the 2 rottweilers back in September last year? I'm not nit-picking or anything, but I'm just thinking that I've missed something

 

And the details about the dog that killed Ellie Lawrenson can probably be found in the BSL section of this forum. It is a section that is really worth a read if you want to get more facts to arm yourself with for any more "discussions" in the pub but I'd recommend that you arm yourself with some tissues because to read what the owners of these so called "dangerous" dogs have to go through with their beloved pets is heartbreaking

 

 

its the baby who was killed by two rotties at a pub it was over 12 mths ago before ellie

[Melp]

Caydee Lee was killed in September last year at a pub in Leicester

On boxing day this year a teenage girl was attacked in Leicester by one of her own dogs, sustaining some serious injuries to her arms and hand.

The kennel girl who was attacked a few weeks ago lost one arm and I beleive has injuries to the other.

A nine week old baby has been killed by the mothers pet dog in Austraila

and the list goes on and does include other breeds.

 

Not sure what other pub?

 

KC secretary Caroline Kisco says

 

The Kennel Club pinned some of the blame for continuing attacks on "poorly-drafted" legislation brought in speedily in reaction to a spate of horror stories about "devil dogs" attacking children in the 1980s.

 

which is a bizzarre comment [if its true and I'll ask her myself] given that the lastest reported attacks have nothing whatsoever to do with DDA dogs

[BillyMalc]

I have just read on another forum that the dog that killed Ellie Laurenson lived outside as did the 2 rotties that killed the boy at the pub and as did this rottie that killed the boy. Surely this has to be more than coincidence. These have to be guard dogs that are not socialised at all. Seems a huge link there between

the 3. It is not family pets doing this maybe that should be emphasised more as It makes us look at it in a different light to us guys who dont really know the breed.

 

The one thing that all these dogs had in common is indeed that it is likely that they hadn't been properly socialised, and in case of the Rotties they were apparently kept as guard dogs. This is not to say that what people regard as "pet dogs" won't ever react like that. People regarding a dog as a pet dog doesn't make them one; the dog doesn't know what role they've been given. It really is as simple as this: regardless of what breed of dog, or indeed animal, you decide to get, read up and educate yourself! Learn how animals think, feel and react to what you, as their guardian, think you can provide them with. Animals can only react to us in the way they know. It is our responsibility to teach them how to behave in our world and ensure that they are happy and healthy, so that they can live in harmony with others around them - regardless of which species.Before you take on any animal, educate yourself of their needs, both physically and mentally, and if you cannot be 100% sure that you're willing and able to commit to provide for those, then don't take an animal on, simple as that.

[Allie No Dots]

KC secretary Caroline Kisco says

 

The Kennel Club pinned some of the blame for continuing attacks on "poorly-drafted" legislation brought in speedily in reaction to a spate of horror stories about "devil dogs" attacking children in the 1980s.

 

which is a bizzarre comment [if its true and I'll ask her myself] given that the lastest reported attacks have nothing whatsoever to do with DDA dogs

 

hmmm id say it ties in with the kc plan to have legislation to cover private property too.

[EGAR]

Right.

 

I had decided NOT to post anymore but I cannot sit still here.

 

I am the mother of a 3 year old boy. I also have Pit Bulls, Staffies, Great Danes, Collies and whatever else I have taken in the three years Nathan has been around. I am EXETREMELY security conscious re my child. Granted, for his 3 years he is very dog savvy, would never touch a strange dog nor would he talk to strange men! Stair gates will not prevent an attack if the dog is so inclined. All it takes is a split second.

 

As to the Chihuahua argument: a Chi has three times the biting power of an adult human man. Now imagine that!

 

The swift change of mind re the ownership of Rottweilers in the future made my heart sing. I would have hated to see one of that beautiful breed yet again in wrong hands.

 

I am not a big person and I have and have had dogs here which were heavier than me. So are my horses, so is my donkey. Yet, strangely, I am able to control them because I use COMMON SENSE!

 

Oh, Allie, I am hacked off too!

[amanda72]

Well this afternoon I started to walk my two down to Rykat and Pingus home, two cars drove past, slowed down and where just staring at my two, THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG!!!

 

Some people crossed over, well that's ok, there problem not mine.

Anyway Rykat came to pick me up on the road in her little car, and my two Mason and Maddie dived into the car and gave Bobbie the most kisses any rottie could give, if any one had driven past it would look like these where crazy, loving Rotties, they are so gentle and loyal, if brought up properly..

Thanks Bobbie and Rick for letting the kids play in the garden..

Edited December 30, 2007 by amanda72

[KathyM]

I want to say a swiftly OT thank you to those who sorted out my paranoia - felt awful asking, but it's been mentioned that other breeds may be added and I'm a bit quick to panic.

 

Back on the subject, I could agree more with Allie and Sarah. I have had dogs of a few breeds/crosses around my kids from when they were babies, and the one thing I know is that I never, ever leave any child alone with any animal unsupervised. That's not just because of stories like we hear in the news about attacks, but because common sense says small kids can be b*ggers with animals when they're left alone. My kids are now older, but I still supervise. I can trust my kids not to torment now that they're older, but I'm also very aware that accidents can happen.

 

If I go to the loo, the dogs (or kids, whichever's easiest!) are shut away. Someone is always with my children when they're with any of my pets - cats, dogs, rats, whatever. Kids are kids and dogs are dogs, and both have the potential to cause trouble *lol*.

 

ETA: If someone is swayed away from a breed of dog by a media report then to me that is a blessing as they can't have much knowledge about them to go purely on that.

Edited December 30, 2007 by KathyM