Rescue Who Also Breeds?

[Houndwoman]

Well I do have issues with it. Even if the breeders are "responsible" (the only "responsible breeder" in my books is one who doesn't breed) and they have waiting lists for the pups that they breed, those are still potential homes for rescue dogs, at which people would (hopefully) look more closely if they weren't so absorbed with getting a puppy of the particular breed they fancy. As long as there are 1000's of healthy, homeable dogs being put to sleep every year, simply because they are "surplus to requirement", I cannot see any justification for bringing more dogs into this world. Being a rescue as well as a breeder, i.e. putting more pups into the world while being confronted every day with dogs that are in desperate need for homes is, in my opinion, hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

 

My sentiments entirely!!

[redditchlady]

I DO have a problem with a 'rescue' who uses a 'rescue' dog to breed from, no matter how well bred it is.

 

I DON'T have a problem with a breeder using one of their own carefully chosen dogs to breed to selected lines and, separately, also rescuing dogs in need.

 

 

My sentiments exactly.

 

Kazz xx

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[Katie]

Turn it on its head, rather than a rescue who breeds (which is seen as bad), how about a breeder who rescues.......

 

Surely, if every breeder also did their fair share of rescuing, wouldnt that be a good thing?

Or is the thinking that if you breed you shouldnt rescue, and then where are we? Surely people rescuing is a good thing as long as its done properly?

 

I know a number of reputable breeders who do an enormous amount for rescue. I cannot see any reason why the cannot do both.

 

 

I DO have a problem with a 'rescue' who uses a 'rescue' dog to breed from, no matter how well bred it is.

 

I DON'T have a problem with a breeder using one of their own carefully chosen dogs to breed to selected lines and, separately, also rescuing dogs in need.

 

Agree 110%!

 

Well I do have issues with it. Even if the breeders are "responsible" (the only "responsible breeder" in my books is one who doesn't breed) and they have waiting lists for the pups that they breed, those are still potential homes for rescue dogs, at which people would (hopefully) look more closely if they weren't so absorbed with getting a puppy of the particular breed they fancy. As long as there are 1000's of healthy, homeable dogs being put to sleep every year, simply because they are "surplus to requirement", I cannot see any justification for bringing more dogs into this world. Being a rescue as well as a breeder, i.e. putting more pups into the world while being confronted every day with dogs that are in desperate need for homes is, in my opinion, hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

But not everyone is going to be suited by a rescue dog. People who want to show for example...

[Trallwm farm]

I know a number of reputable breeders who do an enormous amount for rescue. I cannot see any reason why the cannot do both.

 

so they should as they are adding to the problem.

 

Having dealt with a dippy breeder who ran the breed rescue and dealing with the terrible conditions her dogs faced I would never ever trust a breeder who runs rescue.

Fortunately she was backed into a corner where by we could get the dogs signed over and she faced prosecution if she ever had more than a certain amount again.

As it happened it was only the RSPCA who were actually acting in the dogs best interests. Other breeders and breed rescues were more interested in grabbing what they could for breeding stock.

You are either one thing or the other and rescues need to be seen to be seperate.

[Natpants]

I understand both sides so I suppose I sit on the fence. But I always feel with situations like this (as the transport thread) that the real culprits are the ones we should focus on, i.e. people who breed indiscriminantly for a quick buck or discard dogs like they are used toys, not those who are doing what they can for rescue or to try to improve a breed and do it for the love of the dog. Obviously I have an issue with any rescue breeding from the dogs they rehome but from their own lines, properly bred, why not?

[Houndwoman]

I cannot mention any names here but my experience in the past with certain breeds has been that because the 'rescuer' also breeds they quite often turn their back on a dog in need when it doesn't look a 'typical specimen'

 

I have had people say to me that 'it looks like a puppy farm type'. That's when I get annoyed as there are breeds that vary slightly in characteristics but it doesn't necessarily mean they are not a certain breed. To me a lot of breeders just have an eye for the 'perfect' type and nothing else matters!! If it wouldn't look right in the show ring then it isn't a 'proper' type

 

Frequently we have been asked if our dogs are 'proper' Beagles/ Bassets because they don't look like a show type. In our opinion ours are the 'proper' type it's just that they have come mostly from a puppy farm environment or a working background. In fact I much prefer the working type of hound as they are usually much sturdier and healthier.

 

I have come across quite a few dogs in the past that have come from so called reputable breeders that have ended up in rescue because they have been placed with the wrong people

[Katie]

Having dealt with a dippy breeder who ran the breed rescue and dealing with the terrible conditions her dogs faced I would never ever trust a breeder who runs rescue.

 

But as they say - does one bad apple tar the whole barrel?

 

The person you are describing sounds terrible Lesley and I am sure there are more like her but not all breeders who rescue can be tarred with the same brush. Not forgetting of course that there are sadly still some 'rescues' out there that are also far from reputable.

[Trallwm farm]

But as they say - does one bad apple tar the whole barrel?

 

The person you are describing sounds terrible Lesley and I am sure there are more like her but not all breeders who rescue can be tarred with the same brush. Not forgetting of course that there are sadly still some 'rescues' out there that are also far from reputable.

 

I absolutely agree with you Katie.

 

But how many breed rescues are there that wont take without pedigrees ?

How many scour papers looking for thier breed to "rescue"

These big dogs command massive donations and sadly it does make it worthwhile to make a fast buck from them.

 

 

I just feel that its my responsibility to stay as far away from breeders as is possible. I only take difficult to home dogs through illness or behaviour anyway but I can see how places that specialise in easy or popular ones can be on a good earner every week.

 

I feel very strongly that all rescues should be considered when someones looking for a dog and not somewhere that people assume is respectable because they have pedigree papers. Its about the right dog being in the right home and being loved and safe forever. Often the dogs that come here ARE from breed rescue or ARE from breeders/wrongly sold to owners.

 

I dont bang on about my dogs being more needy because I feel all good rescues should have equal chance of homing thier dogs but I personally am not comfortable with people wearing two hats.

I suppose the easiest way of putting it is if you are a store detective you cannot then say with equal credability that you are a great shoplifter because outsiders quite rightly will lose trust if you are creating the problem and then saving the problem. If you just dont do both then thier will be no problem in the begining.

 

Breeding is a selfish act. People do it simply for thier own pleasure. I think the world should be full of Bojangles puppies and I imagine how wonderful that every where you looked there would be Blue Scruffy Lurchers who are soooo beautifull and run like the wind. Others will think why ? But they too will have something they wish to add to the world.The fact there is money to be made which means you can full fill your dream AND have costs covered plus turn a profit is wonderful

 

But I dont and wont add to the ever increasing volume of dogs waiting to be killed and that also means by stating my viewpoint others may think twice about breeding or supporting breeders.

I also understand that my view point is individual so as much as I would like to it wont stop ALL breeders so stopping also the neccessity of GSDfan posting that without breeders there would be no dogs !

[KathyM]

Playing the Devil's Advocate here Lesley, but aren't "blue scruffy lurchers" a selfishly bred type too by your standards, just not a pedigree? Let's face it, theoretically if dogs were left to breed as nature intended, soon enough we'd see numbers of dogs of specific types dwindle, whether pedigree breeds or not, and eventually dogs would probably even out in looks if you get me. There are just as many crap "blue scruffy lurcher" breeders as there are any other breed (and they're just as purposefully bred as any other "type" or breed).

[ReikiAnge]

Playing the Devil's Advocate here Lesley, but aren't "blue scruffy lurchers" a selfishly bred type too by your standards, just not a pedigree? Let's face it, theoretically if dogs were left to breed as nature intended, soon enough we'd see numbers of dogs of specific types dwindle, whether pedigree breeds or not, and eventually dogs would probably even out in looks if you get me. There are just as many crap "blue scruffy lurcher" breeders as there are any other breed (and they're just as purposefully bred as any other "type" or breed).

 

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you Kathy - and I know Lesley can speak for herself - but I thought that was the point she was making, that although she loves scruffy blue lurchers, she wouldn't support the breeding of them when there are so many dogs dying each year due to a lack of good homes. Hence her comment:

 

But I dont and wont add to the ever increasing volume of dogs waiting to be killed and that also means by stating my viewpoint others may think twice about breeding or supporting breeders.

 

[KathyM]

Ahhh right, trust me to play Devil's Advocate to a non-existant argument. LMAO. I'll try again when my brain's recharged.

[Kathyw]

Well I do have issues with it. Even if the breeders are "responsible" (the only "responsible breeder" in my books is one who doesn't breed) and they have waiting lists for the pups that they breed, those are still potential homes for rescue dogs, at which people would (hopefully) look more closely if they weren't so absorbed with getting a puppy of the particular breed they fancy. As long as there are 1000's of healthy, homeable dogs being put to sleep every year, simply because they are "surplus to requirement", I cannot see any justification for bringing more dogs into this world. Being a rescue as well as a breeder, i.e. putting more pups into the world while being confronted every day with dogs that are in desperate need for homes is, in my opinion, hypocrisy of the highest order.

 

 

Couldn't have put it better myself Billy so I won't try

 

Me neither so I won't.

[Trallwm farm]

Playing the Devil's Advocate here Lesley, but aren't "blue scruffy lurchers" a selfishly bred type too by your standards, just not a pedigree? Let's face it, theoretically if dogs were left to breed as nature intended, soon enough we'd see numbers of dogs of specific types dwindle, whether pedigree breeds or not, and eventually dogs would probably even out in looks if you get me. There are just as many crap "blue scruffy lurcher" breeders as there are any other breed (and they're just as purposefully bred as any other "type" or breed).

 

Ignoring the obvious that IM AGAINST BREEDING

 

All Blue scruffy lurchers are pedigree.

They gently land on earth delivered by Angels to slumber gently on Sofas and follow thier yooman mummies everywhere with an adoring look on thier sweet faces.

 

Although I readily agree that there are crap blue scruffy lurcher breeders it is against nature for there to be crap blue scruffy lurchers.

Just ask anyone who is mummy to one.

[sam]

What would you make of a rescue who also breeds dogs? And I do not mean breed rescues. I am looking forward to your opinions on this subject and I posted it in controversial as I think it might get heated.

whilst not a rescue kennel....all those in my breed rescue are breeders...we all help less fortunate hounds who have fallen on hard times by supporting/organising breed rescuse, but we are all breeders.