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Does anyone happen to know more about Sean Ellis the wolf guy ? I've googled him but not really found much, I seem to remember something about him doing a lot for wolf conservation but I was just wondering what his reason is for living with the wolves he has.

 

I watched a programme about him on Sky a few months ago and it showed him with his pack right from when they were youngsters up until the dynamics of the pack started to change, when the wolves got older and started to jostle for alpha male position. It was fascinating. I think it was called Wolfman, or something like that :unsure:

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Does anyone happen to know more about Sean Ellis the wolf guy ? I've googled him but not really found much, I seem to remember something about him doing a lot for wolf conservation but I was just wondering what his reason is for living with the wolves he has.

 

I think he just loves wolves?! As said above he was featured in a fairly recent tv programme - he appears at the Combe Martin Wildlife & Dinosaur Park in Devon: http://www.dinosaur-park.com/index2.htm. He's an interesting character!

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I thought this programme was amazing and it made me love Martin Clunes even more. I always love seeing people who adore dogs as much as me and promoting understanding of them! The rat bit didn't bother me - there are far worse ways to kill them and they are a nuisance. I can understand why some people found it disturbing but I thought it was informative and felt that it showed how clever and useful dogs and their instincts can be.

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I recorded this and watched it yesterday afternoon..brilliant! the look on his face when the wolves answered the howl was priceless, he was so excited! I think it was a pity they didn't make mention of the fact that wolves are hunted (often by helicopter) and shot in Canada and the scandanavian countries, for no reason other than "sport". No doubt in years to come there wont be any left to find in the wild. :angry:

 

I'm looking forward to the next programme. :biggrin:

 

edited to add: anyone who missed it..you can watch it again on your comp here...(I hope!)

 

http://www.itv.com/CatchUp/Video/default.h...mp;Filter=25243

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Sean Ellis does seem quite a character, and you certainly can't knock him for his conservation work and bringing wolves to the attention of the public, and perhaps altering the common perception, but I had a rather, heated debate, with my friend as to whether his methods had any value for studying wolf behaviour :rolleyes: one of these days we'll be able to watch a dog programm and not shout at each other :laugh:

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edited to add: anyone who missed it..you can watch it again on your comp here...(I hope!)

 

http://www.itv.com/CatchUp/Video/default.h...mp;Filter=25243

Thank you for that :flowers: I saw it on Sunday night but would like to watch it again (without the kids jabbering in the background :glare: ) and have been watching and waiting to see if it would crop up on there :biggrin:

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I had a rather, heated debate, with my friend as to whether his methods had any value for studying wolf behaviour

 

Limited value, I should have thought.

They are still a captive group and in this case littermates which would have gone their seperate ways by now in the wild.

They aren't a pack with normal wild wolf pack dynamics.

 

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Limited value, I should have thought.

They are still a captive group and in this case littermates which would have gone their seperate ways by now in the wild.

They aren't a pack with normal wild wolf pack dynamics.

 

Pam

 

Thank you, my point exactly :biggrin: even the guy going in with the wolves changes the normal pack behaviour, they weren't raised by wolves either, won't get a chance to hunt together, I think they are all boys too, so there's another spanner in the works.

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Thank you, my point exactly :biggrin: even the guy going in with the wolves changes the normal pack behaviour, they weren't raised by wolves either, won't get a chance to hunt together, I think they are all boys too, so there's another spanner in the works.

 

Mind you, that's not far from the studies that gave us dominance theory - and look how many devotees that has :rolleyes:

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Limited value, I should have thought.

They are still a captive group and in this case littermates which would have gone their seperate ways by now in the wild.

They aren't a pack with normal wild wolf pack dynamics.

 

Pam

 

 

I'm reading a book by Shaun Ellis at the moment. It's called The Wolf Talk.

My understanding is that wolves don't go their seperate ways and that they live in family groups unless individuals choose to leave the pack and start their own family groups. Is that not the case then?

 

 

I really enjoyed the programme and am looking forward to the next one. Whilst I didn't like to see the dogs killing the rats I was surprised and releived to see how quick it was.

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Very simply: As they reach sexual maturity and the need to reproduce kicks in, they leave their birth pack to set up a breeding pack of their own.

 

They tend NOT to mate with another from their birth pack

 

That doesn't always happen though, packs are very often family units. The females don't always leave the natal group and act as caretakers for the puppies and in this way ensure that their genes survive. Whether the wolves leave the pack has a lot to do with pack size and the resources available in the area.

 

I didn't watch the programme, I knew it would irritate me with the "dogs are wolves" stuff. I like watching Shaun Ellis but the pack is captive and interfered with. If people want to learn about dog behaviour, they need to study dogs. Wild/feral dog packs do not tend to have the same structure as a wolf pack. It's like watching chimps to learn about humans.

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