blackmagic Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8615076.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merledogs Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Unbelievable Wonder if they have local elections coming up? I am sure they must have to disclose who voted for and against - the list should be published so that the dog loving public will know who voted for the ban Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eve Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Fine - as long as they now have some designated "dog parks" which are free from all the human detritus; eg` rusty cans, broken bottles, syringes etc. And no unaccompanied screaming kids either. Then the dogwalking council tax payer can have somewhere to go that is cleaner, greener and safer too. That would get my vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyMalc Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Unbelievable Wonder if they have local elections coming up? I am sure they must have to disclose who voted for and against - the list should be published so that the dog loving public will know who voted for the ban It's shocking!! On the other hand, I feel like printing this off and putting it up around our park with a note: "This is what will happen if YOU don't clean up after your dog!!" Way too many people here don't bother cleaning up in our park either, giving the anti-dog brigade all they need to have dogs banned everywhere. While it is the council who is implementing this draconian decision, let's face it, they wouldn't have if people would finally take responsibility for their own actions and clean up! Manchester appears to have only 1 dog warden, which is not near enough to make sure that any "no fouling" laws are adhered to. Nottingham will have the same issue, and yes, rather than spending tons on employing more dog wardens, they spend £1000 on declaring a more draconian solution and putting signs up. That way everyone who gets spotted in the park with a dog will get fined - simple and cheap as far as governing is concerned. I do think it is time for people to face up to the consequences of their own actions, rather than blaming councils and governments for everything that happens in their lives. Before you hit me: of course I don't mean people who do clean up after their dogs, but rather to the people who cannot be asked to be responsible dog owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celeste Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I wonder if there would be a way round it using the " right to roam" thing, surely banning people from walking with dogs in a public place wouldn't stand up in the face of national law ( I don't think I've explained that very well, I know what I mean, hopefully someone else will too ) although if English councils are anything like Scottish ones they'll do what the hell they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycas Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 (edited) - what about people who can't drive to a park? - increasing cost of petrol makes it harder even for those that have a car to get to somewhere where their dogs can go offlead, if the one on their doorstep isn't suitable, and this will only get worse. - the more dogs there are on the streets, the more visible fouling there will be and the crosser the anti-dog lobby will get - the more dogs there are on the streets because they can't go to the park, the more even nice well behaved dogs will be seen as menacing, because some people will see any dog that shares a pavement with them as a menace - the harder is is to find a place where dogs can be appropriately exercised and socialised, the more ill-exercised, badly socialised dogs there will be. - when those badly socialised dogs do make it to a park, there will be too many packed into small spaces for safe and appropriate interaction. - many dog walkers will choose to simply disobey the rules. Some will get away with it. Those people are unlikely to obey the rules on other matters such as fouling. - other dog walkers will disobey the rules, get caught, and decide having a dog is too difficult. Fewer homes for rescues, more dogs dumped. - Once large numbers of people start deciding what laws they are and are not going to obey and see themselves as routinely on the wrong side of the law, disaster looms. You know what the real problem is here? Too many damn people : not enough space. Edited April 13, 2010 by cycas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurel n Hardy Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 it states that this will be enforced by park rangers, council workers, etc. if they have the manpower to do this why dont they use it to enforce the clear up of dog mess from those lazy b***ards who wont pick it up. Also how do they fine you?, if I am walking a dog where it says not to how will that work, they dont know me, my dog or where I live, for all they know i walked 5 miles across fields to get there how will they know who to fine or where to send the summons etc They cant follow as the whole point of a dog walk is to walk quite a long way, i could take them on a merry old dance if they did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycas Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 I wonder if there would be a way round it using the " right to roam" thing, surely banning people from walking with dogs in a public place wouldn't stand up in the face of national law ( I don't think I've explained that very well, I know what I mean, hopefully someone else will too ) although if English councils are anything like Scottish ones they'll do what the hell they like. Unfortunately the dog control orders are implemented using national law, which is poorly framed and allows councils considerable abilities to do exactly what they want. The assumption is that they will act sensibly in the interests of all and therefore don't need to be restrained legally. In the same way, powers that were given to local authorities to put people under surveillance to prevent terrorism are now routinely used for all sorts of minor things that annoy the people who write to councils to complain. I would like to kick someone about this, but unfortunately my MP is too far away, and anyway I think he feels the same way . Instead I shall think longingly about walking round the houses of Parliament, randomly kicking people.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Sadly most people are just happy to be pushed around and the anti dog taliban know that they are not going to fight back. many people refuse to accept that the antidog taliban exist or are organised. It is part of a cultural process; its the same one that meeds rubbish left evrywhere for drugs to be hidden in . Its important toi drive the dogwalkers away as they offer the most nusiance to the drug dealing. The law that they are using are only workable if the signs are present. In Birmingham we now have our own stickers that go over any antidog stickers. Its time to fight back against the ADT and the druggies and dogdancers its no use just sitting back .. dog owners must reclaim the dog walks and take them over and offer some form of responsibility for all of thwe dog owning users. We have clubbed together to depooping equipment and quite happily keep the areas clean. Ok hassle with the dog dancers are getting worse, I have been hassled 12 times on one day but half of those incident I was lifting poo without a dog. I kow blow a loud whistle at them. A solicitor has suggested taking photos of the offenders with the pressuring the council to take out Asbos. Yes iots an election . Sadly I am a bit peeved I am a Green Party candidate (council) for the 5th year.but cal party organisation has made a deal not to field a candidate against a Respect Parliamentary candidate --- on of the most ardent of antidog campaigners and related to ADT on the City Council. Dont sit back ---open your eyes . get leafletting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 look In fact our second machine has just been acquired,,,, Dog walk clearing is made possible by people paying for a garden depooping service and by the support of local pubs whose smoking areas get vacuumed for a regular donation. The machine have to have a smaller pipe arrangement for poop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad as a catter Posted April 13, 2010 Report Share Posted April 13, 2010 Please excuse my ignorance, what is a "dog dancer" apart from Mary Ray? I cannot agree with the Nottinghamshire Council's decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ailsas mum Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 A couple of years ago we had the dogs trust in the park, they shoved wee flags in the dog poo to highlight the problem. I've decided that if they do it again I'm going to get my own wee flags and go around shoving it in all the crap that humans leave behind just to show that they leave more rubbish behind than dogs do, the rubbish that people leave behind is also a lot more dangerous than dog shite. Please don't for a moment think that I believe not picking up after your dog is acceptable I don't, I can regularly be seen offering bags to owners who don't pick up. I also don't know about your parks but about here it's usually people that are passing through that don't pick up not the regulars. Terri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 dog dancing--- a sort of street theatre thing---people walk up to you and when quite close start leaping up and down in a sort of mock fright thing. or other weird activities --like walking out into the middle of a very busy road to go around you. You dont actually need a dog. I ended up at the hosp with aanxiety attack after two of them came right up behind me while I was poo picking in the park..i thought I was being mugged. Litterpickers, disabled and religious minorities are also targetted , being all three as well as a dog walker is a pain.. At first it can be funny but after ten or so episodes a day it gets really annoying. The main culprits are those that use our parks as thoroughfares rather than parks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lester Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 A couple of years ago we had the dogs trust in the park, they shoved wee flags in the dog poo to highlight the problem. I've decided that if they do it again I'm going to get my own wee flags and go around shoving it in all the crap that humans leave behind just to show that they leave more rubbish behind than dogs do, the rubbish that people leave behind is also a lot more dangerous than dog shite. Please don't for a moment think that I believe not picking up after your dog is acceptable I don't, I can regularly be seen offering bags to owners who don't pick up. I also don't know about your parks but about here it's usually people that are passing through that don't pick up not the regulars. Terri Thats agood idea. I have some signs warning people about possible spikes in drug taking areas, maybe I should start putting done flags for the needles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ailsas mum Posted April 14, 2010 Report Share Posted April 14, 2010 Lester what I did was to go around taking pictures of rubbish, I then made posters, I typed on them asking if people thought this was acceptable, I shoved the council phone number and e-mail addys on the bottom laminated them and put them on trees and lamp posts in the park. There was four pictures on each poster. These are some of the pictures I took I hate the warm weather it brings the great unwashed out, they're like flies round shite at first bit of heat out they come. Terri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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