Ian Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Oh no, I hope the two missing dogs are found safe There aren't a lot of facts to go on in the press reports, but I find it really hard to understand why this couldn't have been handled without the safety/welfare of the animals being compromised. I just hope no animals or people have been badly injured Couldn't agree more. I read this earlier & chose not to comment at that stage due to the lack of any thorough information in those press reports. I was however left wondering why 700 coppers were needed to arrest 30 people - particulary at dawn when most were presumably asleep? (Pictures of any raid etc around here usually seem to involve about half a dozen) 3 animal rights extremists were prosecuted for intimidation of staff at a laboratory in Aldborough area fairly recently but there was nothing like this - in fact I didn't it had happened until they'd been to court & convicted. I know nothing about the owners past but sincerely hope that the kennels and animals in his care now can be restored to normality, and the missing found, as quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigailj Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Yes I have put aniseed down etc, but never ever been violent and have not scared any horses. I was going to say, hunt sabbing doesn't have to involve violence or threats does it? I've seen on telly that people try to distract the dogs from the scent of the fox by spraying a different scent on the ground. I guess that is what you are describing Kazz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purrpuss Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Thank you all so much Will ask them tomorrow what is needed and let you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kathy40uk Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Thanks Purrpuss Hope the missing dogs are found and sending calming thoughts to all Please let us know if there is any way we can help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abigailj Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 (edited) Well, as someone who used to be active for animal rights - and still believe that animals are entitles to those rights - I'm not sure what you mean by this post. Should animal rights activists not be on rescue forums? And for those who want to lump everyone who believes in animal rights together: it's exactly that train of thought that caused the pit bull amnesty: tarring every dog of a "type" with the same brush. I get fed up with people, who have never been involved in animal welfare/rights campaigning, judging a whole movement that they really have no idea about. I would expect people on a forum like this to be less judgemental towards other people who care about those very same animals we all profess to care about on here. Well said Billy I could write so much about this but my bath is going cold, and I can't put it into words (been here 10 mins trying) Edited May 1, 2007 by Abigailj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacobean Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 I've realised it did sound as though my comments were about all animal activists earlier on but I did mean those that go to extremes. So sorry if I did offend anyone cos it certainly wasn't intentional. Maybe someone can list things that are needed for Freshfields at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redditchlady Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 I was going to say, hunt sabbing doesn't have to involve violence or threats does it? I've seen on telly that people try to distract the dogs from the scent of the fox by spraying a different scent on the ground. I guess that is what you are describing Kazz? You are right Abigail. It is by scent that it was done to protect the fox from being mauled. (Sorry off topic mods. Was answering a question) Back on topic, I do hope they find the 2 missing dogs and that the others are recovering from their ordeal If there is anything Freshfields needs, perhaps we can arrange a run to Di's. Kazzxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted May 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 IF there are charges brought against any of the arrested people and IF there is proof that something major was afoot then the police did right to arrest those people. I cannot understand the need for such large numbers of police or damage to property OR physical/mental damage to animals or people though As I understand it, the manager of Freshfileds lives in a house on site so there was no need to storm the entire rescue. Assuming it's him they went after which may not even be the case. I cannot believe that police don;t know where people live. If they know where they work then they can easily find out where they live as well ffs. No need to do something like this. Hope the two missing dogs get found and none of the animals there traumatised by todays events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purrpuss Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 IF there are charges brought against any of the arrested people and IF there is proof that something major was afoot then the police did right to arrest those people. I cannot understand the need for such large numbers of police or damage to property OR physical/mental damage to animals or people though As I understand it, the manager of Freshfileds lives in a house on site so there was no need to storm the entire rescue. Assuming it's him they went after which may not even be the case. I cannot believe that police don;t know where people live. If they know where they work then they can easily find out where they live as well ffs. No need to do something like this. Hope the two missing dogs get found and none of the animals there traumatised by todays events. I dont want to say what, but the charges for the arrests this morning where as a result of that immediate situation and do not appear to be comprehensive pre planned charges (gawd, I wish I could say what I mean ), and all are now released on bail. They do not appear to have been after the manager. No the manager does not live on site. Apologies for being so vague, but I really dont want to jepodise any legal fallouts from this whole sorry incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sproggie14 Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 Once again Merseyside police have shown they are all about knee jerk reactions and they don't give a stuff about animal welfare. Leaving those poor animals uncared for all day is just horrible. There is no good reason why they couldn't have allowed an RSPCA officer or an escorted member of staff in to care for the animals. No matter what anyone connected with the rescue might have done there is no excuse for letting the animals at the rescue suffer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanrossscot Posted May 1, 2007 Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 I hope that things get straightened out soon and that the animals have not suffered too badly from today. On a law enforcement side of things, I suspect that they may well have been OTT however we do not know what they might have been looking to find and what 'may' have been suspected of being hidden on the rescues land/buildings etc. Criminals (in gen not talking about today) will hide things in the most peculiar of places and when searching a property you have to look 'everywhere' (not always pleasant). Law Enforcement bodies will not necessarily take account of animals reactions, their concerns will be the finding of people to be arrested and the securing of evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted May 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2007 No need to apologise Purpuss, understandable that you can't say anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red-devil0602 Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 I cannot believe that police don;t know where people live. If they know where they work then they can easily find out where they live as well I think they were after the computers and equipment more than anything I think its terrible how these poor animals were treated and it surely could've been handle better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACKYSIAN Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 Sorry but also a bit presumptious to assume that anyone who has sabotaged a hunt has done so by scaring horses and threatening people. Yes sabbing has it rogue elements but the majority of people involved love horses as much as foxes and would not harm one for anything. Here here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myk Posted May 2, 2007 Report Share Posted May 2, 2007 There doesn't appear to be any info on this on the merseyside police site. Wonder why? Surely there is a policy for dealing with animal welfare in the event of a raid on a rescue, farm, pet shop, breeder etc? If not, then it is time that there was. Even if I accept that the raids were necessary (As info is limited I'm giving benefit of the doubt at present) then public safety remains a public priority. Allowing frightened animals to escape is putting the public at risk. Perhaps a scared dog who feels cornered, or as simple as a motorist avoiding a collision with a loose and panicking animal. This needs investigation by higher bodies. (Just a thought. Elections looming, so local councils might show interest for a change?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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