Tisaann Posted January 22, 2007 Report Share Posted January 22, 2007 I have just been looking at a rescue site and on there were a fair few ex-breeding dogs. The dogs were past their 'sell by' date so the breeder wanted to find a new home for them. As a rescue how do you feel when a breeder comes to you to re-home a breeding dog that is past it's 'sell by' date? One breeder even checked out the rescue! I guess I am being really nieve here..............Also I saw some photo's of a rescue dog and a child was was all over it. How does 'one' feel so secure with this 'new dog with no history' that they would let a small child be all over it? Am I being a 'worry bug?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owlish Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have just been looking at a rescue site and on there were a fair few ex-breeding dogs. The dogs were past their 'sell by' date so the breeder wanted to find a new home for them. As a rescue how do you feel when a breeder comes to you to re-home a breeding dog that is past it's 'sell by' date? One breeder even checked out the rescue! I guess I am being really nieve here..............Also I saw some photo's of a rescue dog and a child was was all over it. How does 'one' feel so secure with this 'new dog with no history' that they would let a small child be all over it? Am I being a 'worry bug?' Are you concerned about the ethics of this particular rescue? I think sometimes you get a 'feeling' that something isn't right, and often it's wise to trust that feeling and at least investigate, to see if things are being done well. Then you might have the relief of finding out you were wrong. And if things are being done in a way which negatively affects the dogs' welfare, then you can perhaps try to get on board and help them resolve matters if you can As a rescue how do you feel when a breeder comes to you to re-home a breeding dog that is past it's 'sell by' date? I'm not a rescue, but I can imagine they're saddened by this. But Many Tears, for example, take heaps of ex-puppy farm dogs, and if they didn't wordlessly take them from the farmers, then future dogs might meet a whole lot more grizzly end Also I saw some photo's of a rescue dog and a child was was all over it. How does 'one' feel so secure with this 'new dog with no history' that they would let a small child be all over it? Perhaps this was a dog who had previously lived with kids? If not, and this is a dog with no history, then that's definitely worrying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have just been looking at a rescue site and on there were a fair few ex-breeding dogs. The dogs were past their 'sell by' date so the breeder wanted to find a new home for them. As a rescue how do you feel when a breeder comes to you to re-home a breeding dog that is past it's 'sell by' date? One breeder even checked out the rescue! I guess I am being really nieve here..............Also I saw some photo's of a rescue dog and a child was was all over it. How does 'one' feel so secure with this 'new dog with no history' that they would let a small child be all over it? Am I being a 'worry bug?' When it comes to ex breeding dogs, much as I'd be disappointed if I were a rescue and taking these dogs in, I'd also be thankful that they got that option. A lot of ex breeding dogs don't get that opportunity, but it's bittersweet yes. As for the breeder checking out the rescue, that's a good thing as far as I'm concerned. When it comes to kids being all over dogs, I feel very uncomfortable with that regardless of how much history is known. Kids shouldn't be allowed to pile on dogs like that. I also feel very uncomfortable when I see pictures of kids sprawling over dogs, sitting on them, or with a tight grab of their head. Just bad parenting I think, regardless of the dog's history, but especially scary with dogs with no history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenrir Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 When it comes to kids being all over dogs, I feel very uncomfortable with that regardless of how much history is known. Kids shouldn't be allowed to pile on dogs like that. I also feel very uncomfortable when I see pictures of kids sprawling over dogs, sitting on them, or with a tight grab of their head. Just bad parenting I think, regardless of the dog's history, but especially scary with dogs with no history. I couldn't agree more, so many parents seem to think this sort of behaviour is acceptable. I suspect a fair number don't think it is OK but can't be bothered to do anything about it as long as the kids are not hassling them, very sad for both the dogs and the children. I would never trust someone elses opinion of an animal without making my own assessment either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tisaann Posted January 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) It seems that the harder they work and the more exhausted they get the more ex breeders seem to pile their ex breeding dogs onto rescues. Do breeders offer anything in return? a donation mabe? It just seems that the breeders have made a well worn path to rescues. Edited January 26, 2007 by snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendbert Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 My Poppy was a breeding bitch for the first 7 years of her life. I will be forever grateful that she was handed over to a rescue and has had the chance for a normal life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trallwm farm Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 It seems that the harder they work and the more exhausted they get the more ex breeders seem to pile their ex breeding dogs onto rescues. Do breeders offer anything in return? a donation mabe? It just seems that the breeders have made a well worn path to rescues. What they offer is a constant stream of dogs and for rescues it means a steady stream of donations for pedigree dogs to keep going with. Unless told otherwise breeders think they are being kind handing them over.Given the option of a bullet I guess it is better. Its a system that works all round but the dogs are no worse off or needy than any other dog that requires a home.I would love to see an end to puppy farming but you will find people in prominant positions knocking out Labs etc so why when they see themselves as purveyers of fine dogs will they shut themselves down. Licencing and limits is a way forward that is workable.Now anyone can breed and does. And then there was the unfortunate case of the lunatic in Carmarthen who gave a puppy farm failed stud dog aged 7 months to a total novice who then let the totally unsocialised dog loose on Pembrey beach. We dont know if it drowned or came ashore later which is worrying because it was terrified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fee Posted January 27, 2007 Report Share Posted January 27, 2007 I don't see that taking ex-breeding dogs is ethically very different from rescues taking in ex-racing greyhounds, for instance. Yes, in one way it is propping up the industry by giving them a 'respectable' way of disposing of unwanted dogs. On the other hand rescues are faced with the reality of unwanted dogs and what will happen to them if they don't take them in. The answer has to be further down the line, with legislation to curb the use of dogs for racing and indiscriminate breeding. Until that happens rescues are left picking up the pieces as best they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Id rather the dog go to a rescue than to be 'disposed of' If I went to a rescue for a dog, it wouldnt bother me if the dog had been bred, id go for temperament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amanda72 Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 My Poppy was a breeding bitch for the first 7 years of her life. I will be forever grateful that she was handed over to a rescue and has had the chance for a normal life. Poppy is very very cute, I love her especially those eyes.... She is a very lucky girlie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffymonkey Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Poppy is very very cute, I love her especially those eyes.... She is a very lucky girlie... Indeed. She's a very luffley, very snuggly girly, who give most excellent cuddles I dunno - I wonder - if rescues didn't take them in, where would they end up? I doubt that puppyfarmers wouldn't bother with the vets to pay for PTS, and I doubt very much that they'd be too discouraged by there being no-where to 'dump' their ex-breeding stock . Without rescue, I wonder whether 'retirement' wouldn't mean a shotgun in the back field :mecry: Because of rescues who will get involved, dogs who have had the most ghorrific of beginnings have a chance to learn what love and companionship means. Which IMO, can never be a bad thaing. BUt that's just my thoughts, so I shall shuffle off now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trallwm farm Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Absolutely they should go to rescues but then I dont think its acceptable that they get described as anyone poorer or worse off than any other sanctuaries dogs. ALL sanctuaries will have ex brood bitches just as ALL will have dogs that need homes for other reasons. Just spread those homes round them ALL I say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redditchlady Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I agree with Lesley on this. Another point to add to this is, are we then clearing the way for them to go and get younger dogs in and start all over again. Sorry to throw another spanner in the works folks. But then on the other side of the coin, if we don't take them then what would be done to the poor dogs. Kazz xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maria Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Absolutely they should go to rescues but then I dont think its acceptable that they get described as anyone poorer or worse off than any other sanctuaries dogs. ALL sanctuaries will have ex brood bitches just as ALL will have dogs that need homes for other reasons. Just spread those homes round them ALL I say I agree with this up to a point, in that they should go to rescues, and I have 2 rescue dogs......but, one came from the RSPCA, unwanted at 5, some 'challenging' aspects, but used to living in a home and therefore although needing a new home, was fairly 'easy' to integrate into a home environment..... the other was most likely born into a puppy farm and then 'farmed' herself. Never knew what a 'home' was, scared (still) of having a lead attached to her neck area, never been socialised, hadn't experienced most things a 'normal' dog would etc etc. She was far 'worse off' than our first dog, and most dogs that go into my local rescue - who don't get many ex brood bitches-.....most of those are perfectly rehomeable to normal / average families. Of course there are dogs that are special cases in a lot of rescues, but I can't agree that they should be viewed the same way as every other dog. That would be misleading to potential owners, some of whom wouldn't have the time or patience to spend the time needed to help these 'institutionalised' dogs lead relatively normal lives.It has taken Smudge an adult (about 4) over 6 months just to learn how to 'sit' on cue. Longer than most puppies would I would suggest. She's scared of clickers and close contact, so the only way she can learn at present is for us to put a word to a 'normal' action she does, and eventually she will understand. On the other hand our first dog is extremely bright and will learn things very quickly, -I don't think you can necessarily say all dogs are the same, and so the homes they need are different. To me , that would be the same as saying that all human children would be the same adoption -wise, when clearly some would have more special needs than others, and so have different needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staffymonkey Posted February 8, 2007 Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 I agree with Lesley on this. Another point to add to this is, are we then clearing the way for them to go and get younger dogs in and start all over again. Sorry to throw another spanner in the works folks. But then on the other side of the coin, if we don't take them then what would be done to the poor dogs. Kazz xx That was kinda my point. I think if rescues weren't there there would be no life once 'usefulness' ended... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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