owl Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Good result, Helen, well handled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycas Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 The only situation which made me think there might be some justification for using a shock collar, is rattlesnake training. I can kind of see that if you live somewhere where there are lots of very large dangerous snakes that make a very distinctive noise, it might be possible to use such a thing to set up a specific fear and avoidance that might make a real difference to keeping a dog safe, and I can see that it's probably quite difficult to make sure that a dog avoids something in all situations without also making him think it will do something nasty to him. It's probbaly more precise than most other ways of doing that. But most of the situations where people use them the potential for confusion and damage seems to be immense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rileyroo Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 The only situation which made me think there might be some justification for using a shock collar, is rattlesnake training. I can kind of see that if you live somewhere where there are lots of very large dangerous snakes that make a very distinctive noise, it might be possible to use such a thing to set up a specific fear and avoidance that might make a real difference to keeping a dog safe, and I can see that it's probably quite difficult to make sure that a dog avoids something in all situations without also making him think it will do something nasty to him. It's probbaly more precise than most other ways of doing that. But most of the situations where people use them the potential for confusion and damage seems to be immense. Even then, there are numerous stimuli for rattlesnakes (sight, smell, sound) so you'd have to proof each one . I couldn't do it - but then I don't ever intend to live somewhere where there are nasty poisonous snakes Well done, Helen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tegk68 Posted July 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 (edited) One last email which arrived just now: Helen, can I confirm to you that we HAVE not & WILL not use said device. So that's good . Thanks everso much everyone again Edited July 3, 2008 by tegk68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReikiAnge Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Fab news Well done for going back with reason, information and links rather than ranting, which would probably have had the opposite effect (but been very tempting). You have probably saved a dog from fear and pain for dealing with it as you have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudi Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Fab news Well done for going back with reason, information and links rather than ranting, which would probably have had the opposite effect (but been very tempting). You have probably saved a dog from fear and pain for dealing with it as you have Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaraMoochi Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Thats great news xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murtle Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Fab news Well done for going back with reason, information and links rather than ranting, which would probably have had the opposite effect (but been very tempting). You have probably saved a dog from fear and pain for dealing with it as you have ...and more, cause what's the betting he rants about *these awful devices* to all and sundry.... Well done Helen, maybe he can have another dog if he starts to behave himself !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melissa Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Yes - well done! I too would rather have a dog that doesn't always behave! they aren't machines, how many of us have done the odd thing several times over that we know we shouldn't? that extra glass of wine...the extra cake...the losing your temper over something silly...It is what makes us individuals and I love the fact that all dogs have their own little quirks, good & bad - sad to read Rudi's post about the dog that became a quivering wreck, I love a dog with some spirit and it is such a shame when training becomes unkind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reds Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Yes - well done! I too would rather have a dog that doesn't always behave! they aren't machines, how many of us have done the odd thing several times over that we know we shouldn't? that extra glass of wine...the extra cake...the losing your temper over something silly...It is what makes us individuals and I love the fact that all dogs have their own little quirks, good & bad - sad to read Rudi's post about the dog that became a quivering wreck, I love a dog with some spirit and it is such a shame when training becomes unkind Brilliant post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abby Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Congratulations Helen - it's a very good result I have been watching this with interest because there is a couple in our village who have their terrier on a shock collar permanently 'because he runs off' or something like that. Now, of course, Wales is heading towards a ban so they won't be able to use it and I have been trying to figure out how to tackle this without alienating them. This thread has given me lots of ideas - I have to be careful because they are customers and I don't want to pee them off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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