Melp Posted October 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 We know have enough for 11 weeks kennelling Thankyou so very much to Scipio Eve Kats n Greys Phoebejo Danish Pastry Melf My hubby DNB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celeste Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 What a situation, did the person who bred them cough up too ? Will paypal something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Not meaning to be one to dwell on the negative, but are these dogs even going to be homeable given the current issues and the fact they'll have been kennelled throughout most of their puppyhood? I'm assuming they won't be taken out on walks outside of the kennels, rides in cars, meeting other dogs, or to spend time in a home and therefore will be completely unsocialised and nearly adult dogs by the time they're inspected? Then they will need to be homed. I haven't seen a rescue website recently that hasn't got huge numbers of staffie crosses that have been there for months with little hope of a home. I might be harsh but I wonder what's kinder. Sorry to dwell on the negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helly Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Not meaning to be one to dwell on the negative, but are these dogs even going to be homeable given the current issues and the fact they'll have been kennelled throughout most of their puppyhood? I'm assuming they won't be taken out on walks outside of the kennels, rides in cars, meeting other dogs, or to spend time in a home and therefore will be completely unsocialised and nearly adult dogs by the time they're inspected? Then they will need to be homed. I haven't seen a rescue website recently that hasn't got huge numbers of staffie crosses that have been there for months with little hope of a home. I might be harsh but I wonder what's kinder. Sorry to dwell on the negative. They go out for walks every day and are brilliant on their harnesses. They sit at road junction too. Socialised with all creeds and colours of dogs as they walk with the kennel dogs and they meet new people every time I have a customer on the driveway and they go past. They are desensatised to industrial washing machines and dryers so your bog standard whirlpool should be a breeze They are bathed once a month or so, nails clipped and generally messed about with to cover as much as we can. The staff soemtimes take thir own designated puppy home for the afternoon too so they are well used to cars. so when the time comes for them to pass their assessments and be rehomed they will be a lot better than you would expect. of course, the fact Im responsible for them right now makes them even more spethshul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Well that was unexpected, teach me to be out of the loop! I was assuming that they'd have the same restrictions as other dogs held under the DDA - well at least this means that all other dogs in police kennels should be getting the same (and if not they have to answer why not if these pups are allowed it). What a hypocritical system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Maggi at Mill rescue took a dog a few months ago for us. Saffy had spent her entire life [18 months] in police appointed kennels. Luckily, the kennel owner had done as Helly has and had socialised her with dogs, people etc though like these she had never lived in a home. Saffy was rehomed failry quickly by Mags [with a behaviourist] and has done brilliantly No-one is saying it's an easy task but it can be done when they've been given as much stimulation and socialisation as Saffy and the three at Hellys Ideally no dog should spend this long in kennels BUT many dogs in rescue do and go on to live very happy lives in "normal" homes. In Merseyside, there were problems with a particular kennels but this is no longer used and since then, there hasn't been a single complaint about a returned dog. These pups haven't been assessed as to type yet so the restrictions are a little less strict than DDA dogs in some areas of the country but even then, in the majority of kennels, the dogs are exercised and handled regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helly Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Not the same though Kathy as these puppies have not yet been deemed to be of pit bull type and are not old enough to be assessed yet, so they have no restrictions as such to abide by. Seized dogs that are in kennels that are waiting for court dates etc have been classed as type and are therefore under much stricter restrictions. A basic kennel insurance ie public liability will not have the same provisions for a pit bull as they have their own special insurance so the conditions are very very different when kennelling seized dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Posting at the same time as Di Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I suppose we just see things very differently as all I see are rescues clogged up with unhomeable dogs and people putting huge amounts of time, money and resources into adding more of the same type of dog onto a universal staffie/cross homing list that can't do anything. I can see now that these pups aren't part of that, but I do wonder what will make these lot more homeable than the hundreds already taking up rescue spaces that have been waiting months and years at the expense of themir quality of life and the chances of other dogs. At some point we may have to wake up and see that these dogs (and by these I don't mean these specific puppies) aren't going to get homes and maybe make a tough choice for the good of other more homeable animals. I'm thankful that this isn't that point and hopeful these aren't some of the many who'll have to be put down anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helly Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 I agree with you Kathy, there are too many of these type of dogs and yes I do wonder what is in store for these 3, but as DNB moved them to me when they were released from the plods, I can only try and make them more rehomable. It is sad to see them all lined up in rescue and in many cases it probably would be kinder to PTS. I am sure in theory its a lot easier than in practice and I dread that decision being made for my 3 here. If that is what is considered best for them in the long run, I would do it though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melp Posted October 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 The truth of the matter is that neither me or Melf wanted to be the ones that said "Sod it, put them to sleep" You're right, there are hundreds if not thousands of staffies and crosses in rescues all over the country. Many won't find homes and no doubt many will be pts. Whoever has to make that choice has a very difficult job. With these three, we have "known" them since the day they were born and have followed their progress for their entire lives to date. Whilst we don't personally have the job of looking after them, or seeing them day to day, we still don't want to be the ones to turn our backs and let them be pts without giving them a chance. If that means paying for kennelling [with or without the help of others] then thats what we'll do. They may well be pts regardless of what we're doing and I dread the day they're finally able to be assessed properly. I also feel for Helly and the kennel staff who've spent the last weeks caring for and training them if any of them end up being destroyed, but we'll all be hold our heads up and say we did our best. All dogs deserve to have someone trying for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KathyM Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 All dogs deserve to have someone trying for them. That was kindof my point wasn't it? Suggesting it might not be a war that can be won isn't saying otherwise, it's having the bravery to stand for the good of all, despite probably losing all backing from fluffies. Tough either way you head, if you get me, but not wrong to consider. If it was a choice between staffie crosses clogging up rescue for all other dogs and not getting homes I know I would have to see PTS as the kinder option all round, but I did say I wasn't meaning these particular pups and obviously some people aren't as able as others to stand up to that view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kola Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 The situation with these puppies highlights, yet again, how ridiclous the DDA legislation is and how much the law is desperatly in need of repeal. Amanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flukespad Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 We will pay for the 12th week how much is it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helly Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 £36 a week per puppy. we have 3 of them but i guess even if we could try and get people to sponsor one puppy for a week it will help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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