meandmy4? Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I have just watched Crufts tonight and it says that there was 450000 labs registered and only 200 clumber spaniels. So thought was strange but they charge £1000 for a clumber spaniel, so for people who buy dogs there not as affordable as other breeds. Just find all the statictics very sad really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDFan Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 (edited) I kind of doubt that it is the price that puts people off Clumber Spaniels. £1000 isn't very much these days, you pay that for a potentially good example of many breeds. Clumbers aren't a fashionable breed. There are very few breeders and the ones that exist are very fussy about where their dogs go. Clumbers aren't a breed for someone who just fancies a spaniel, they are very different to Springers and Cockers. edited to add: I love Clumbers, if I were to have a member of the gundog group they are one I would be considering Edited March 7, 2008 by GSDFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandmy4? Posted March 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I think its just me that such a high price is put on a dogs head when in theory rescues are worth nothing. And how many lab x'x are in rescues And yes clumbers are rather cute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoebejo Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I love Clumbers too I think there is more chance of me going to the moon than a Clumber puppy being in rescue. Why on earth do so many breed from their Labradors when there are so many in rescue? It's madness and completely uncalled for. I expect if there was a demand for Clumbers then there would be more bred, but thankfully they aren't popular. I'd hate for them to vanish completely though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandmy4? Posted March 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I know its like being so torn as dont want breeding but would be a sad day if dogs like clumbers didnt excist. There are a few dogs I would adore to own but never going to happen as just dont really pop up in rescue that much mainly a Irish red setter and leonberger and couldnt justify ever buying one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDFan Posted March 7, 2008 Report Share Posted March 7, 2008 I expect if there was a demand for Clumbers then there would be more bred, but thankfully they aren't popular. I'd hate for them to vanish completely though. It's a bit of a fine line isn't it I'd hate for them to vanish but equally I don't really want them to become too popular. I'd hate it if they turned up in rescue on more than a very occasional basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDFan Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I think its just me that such a high price is put on a dogs head when in theory rescues are worth nothing.And how many lab x'x are in rescues I don't think it a bad thing that good breeders charge high prices. High prices don't necessarily put people off but it must be at least a tiny deterrant to people who want to buy a puppy on a whim. It is a bit irrelevant how many lab x's are in rescue, or how many crosses of any breed, if someone wants a pure bred dog then that is what they want. Sometimes a cross bred doesn't come to the same thing. With a well bred pedigree dog you do have a far better idea of what you are getting. I've had cross breds, pedigree dogs and rescue dogs. I will continue to have rescue dogs, but when the time is right I will again be spending a lot of money on a pedigree puppy. That puppy will be no more important or valued than the rescues but it will be bought for a purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoebejo Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 It's a bit of a fine line isn't it I'd hate for them to vanish but equally I don't really want them to become too popular. I'd hate it if they turned up in rescue on more than a very occasional basis. I've frequented rescue forums like this for five years now. I've seen one Clumber up for rehoming and he wasn't suitable for a home with kids. I suppose I ought to be glad about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGAR Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 There is a very small genpool for dogs like Clumbers, Otterhounds etc and they suffer alot of genetic diseases such as HD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSDFan Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I've frequented rescue forums like this for five years now. I've seen one Clumber up for rehoming and he wasn't suitable for a home with kids. I suppose I ought to be glad about that. Yes, I think you should. Although it's not much help when you want one, it is good for the breed that there are so few in rescue. If you really, really want one I think you'll have to resign yourself to buying one. I think you'll have to be prepared to join a waiting list though. There is a very small genpool for dogs like Clumbers, Otterhounds etc and they suffer alot of genetic diseases such as HD. They do Sarah, you're right. Of course, the small gene pool makes it very difficult to breed out problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycas Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I've always wondered why the normal genetic 'rules' applied to wild populations of animals don't seem to be applied to dogs. 200 a year, is what, a breeding population of 1000 max? If you had something like a rare wolf or wildcat, and it was down to a breeding population of 1000 and theywere all interrelated, that would not be good for the continued health of the species, and that's in a situation where evolutionary pressures would cull any individual that wasn't reasonably healthy. The whole 'closed gene pool' thing is .... hum. OK, people want to be able to specify dogs of a certain size shape and temperament, but is that a justification for practicing this rather odd form of genetic experimentation? You don't need a completely closed gene pool to get dogs of a set type, look at all the working border collies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celeste Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 I've always wondered why the normal genetic 'rules' applied to wild populations of animals don't seem to be applied to dogs. 200 a year, is what, a breeding population of 1000 max? If you had something like a rare wolf or wildcat, and it was down to a breeding population of 1000 and theywere all interrelated, that would not be good for the continued health of the species, and that's in a situation where evolutionary pressures would cull any individual that wasn't reasonably healthy. The whole 'closed gene pool' thing is .... hum. OK, people want to be able to specify dogs of a certain size shape and temperament, but is that a justification for practicing this rather odd form of genetic experimentation? You don't need a completely closed gene pool to get dogs of a set type, look at all the working border collies. Couldn't agree more If breeders continue on this snobbish and shortsighted mind set then sadly the inevitable outcome will be a lessening of rare breed health, they seem to forget that dog breeds were created in the first place with a bit of this and a dash of that, so what's wrong with reintroducing one of the original founding breeds to help improve health, in the Clumbers example they could make them not so heavy, the originals were never that size, and their eyes ! the dog that was on Crufts last night, poor bluddy dog, his eyes must get so sore with all that hanging loose skin , how can anyone think that looks nice ( the cherry eyes, not the Clumbers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laura g Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 in the Clumbers example they could make them not so heavy, the originals were never that size, and their eyes ! the dog that was on Crufts last night, poor bluddy dog, his eyes must get so sore with all that hanging loose skin , how can anyone think that looks nice ( the cherry eyes, not the Clumbers) I watched crufts last night. .... in my role as joe-bloggs-public-know-nothing the clumber looked really unwieldy and uncomfortable. I would have liked to see him in his 'natural environment' to get more of an idea of how they work etc etc. Im another one that agrees that for a good example of any breed, let alone a rare, specialised or 'at risk', £1000 seems a comparatively small amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meandmy4? Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 (edited) Im another one that agrees that for a good example of any breed, let alone a rare, specialised or 'at risk', £1000 seems a comparatively small amount. Well imagine the value of the clumber at crufts I guess that would be classed as the best example of the breed and worth a fortune so according to your theory the more you spend the better the dog. I would rather pay £500 and have a clumber x who didnt have eyes that looked so uncomfortable. Its like a shar pei would rather buy a x or less intensively bred one than pay £1000's for a crufts one that looks so uncomfortable. Edited March 8, 2008 by meandmy4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoebejo Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Clumbers didn't always have eyes like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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