tracyb

Thanks for advice- will look into it. I am in in Hemsworth -West Yorks -WF9 4RJ but travel across towards Sheffield quite often with ZRR. Work has a depot in Wellingborough that runs up here weekly. They will bring the little things that go in boxes but not snakes lol

Hi Karen- I doubt if the two girls are spayed- I havent had them done myself ( not been irresponsible they just haven't been near any other rabbits) As I got them from some people I actually bought a guinea pig cage off they didn't give me any info. I'd say they are approx 2 yr old. I've had rabbits in the past & either kept same litter females or males together with no problems. The only thing the prev owners told me was they dont like each other. I haven' put them in same pen together yet but put there runs side by side or let on have the run of the garden & 1 stay in the pen. If you ok with this then can do home check- would need to be after work or weekend (plse bear in mind Sat are normally taken up with ZRR) Unless some-one closer to home is able to help him. I could probably get him out of Wellingborough on transport with our wagons.

He's gorgeous- how far can he travel & what donation is required. I have two rescued females rabbits, 1 netherland dwarf cross & one ?? white with pink eyes.They live in seprate hutches but would love some company. They were rehomed earlier in the year from people who's kids didn't want them any more. i also have rescue piggies, gerbils, cockatiels, dogs & quail. Zepthedep will vouch for me as I'm their Fund Raising Co-Ordinator. I've just bought another 2 storey hutch & have two seperate runs plus an adjustable pen.

words fail me. I 've never supported greyhound racing & never been to it. We have a track within 10 mins of where we live & it's only over the last 12mths my eyes have been opened to the dreadful treatment of what the breeders/owners do to what they consider to be 'not good' dogs. I hope the two poor young dogs enjoy there life at the bridge- it will be a damn sight better than what they were offered here. Shame on the owners I hope they rot in hell

Pleased he got back safe, together with the snakes who will probably be ready for tea by now. He is quite comical especially when he chats to his bell. You'll soon find out what I mean- he has us in stiches with it.

This can now be closed please- Skippy is on his way to Newcastle

I can only echo what others have said. I lost my first dog to cancer on 15.12.06. He'd just had his 11 th birthday in October. I felt cheated of the time we had left. Frodo was a young lad & you have been cheated. You will blame yourself despite your own common sense telling you that you couldn't have done anything else to save him. You will find yourself crying for days, but Frodo will find a way to let you know he's ok-you will understand that it's ok for him to go & leave you to cope without him. I found two white feathers the day after I lost Glenn, more tears but I knew he was ok. It's the special bond that makes loosing them so hard but the memories can never be taken away. We bought a digital photo frame & put all our pictures onto it, we now have a constant show of our days together. I hope you soon can smile at your happy memories, & know that your little lad is at the bridge with our other loved friends.

I travel to kennels in Worksop most Saturdays & can travel within hour of wf9 4 if needed

I took on a cockatiel approx 4 mths ago. He is 22 yrs old & was kept in a small brass cage. Although allowed out he has very little muscle & cannot really fly. He is quite happy to potter around the windowsill, floor or sit on sofa next to you. He is quite friendly & likes a crisp every now & again & occasionally a bit of prawn cracker. His owners gave him away as they were told he was aggravating the ladies cough although not causing it. We had all intentions of keeping him but unfortunately one of my existing rescue birds has started to be bullied & we need to bring her back indoors. Is anyone able to take Skippy on for the remaining time he has, he's a happy little thing & whistles a tune to his bell during the day. He's not phased by my dogs, even when on the floor at the side of them. I can supply a decent size cage & his toys with him. Would appreciate anyone that can help getting in touch asap as the bullied female needs some time to herself again away from our other rescue birds. Thanks

As some of you know I'm involved with Zepthedep Rottweiler Rescue, through them I found Carlton Forest Boarding Kennels. They are no longer run by the people that got them the bad reputation. They are run by Pam & Kevin- totally devoted to happy dogs. They have spent a small fortune bringing the kennels upto scratch, all boarding dogs are walked at least once a day normally twice. PAm also takes in pound/dog warden strays. She runs a rescue centre from the kennels. Every dog has cuddles & biscuits every day without fail, after visitng for the last few weeks it is blatentatly obvious that Pam & Kevin do this because of there love of dogs. They get little or no help towards the strays they re-home. The boarding kennels are clean-never yet been in & not seen a clean kennel no matter what time of day. Lovely settings away from main roads. The dogs are happy,settled & extremely well cared for. So if you are near Blyth/Worksop/Notts area I would totally recommend them

This must be worrying for you especially knowing they've been whilst you were there. Did they go through the door? Best thing to door is use a drill to 'round' off the screws, use chicken wire around the window if it has one & get a cheap alarm from b &q. We had ours done but since we took some precautions it's not happen since.

My labx is a dream on & off lead, but Tig the alsation/greyhound x either is as good as gold or barks like crazy. He tends to be worse with dogs he's not seen before either. e doesn't do it with every dog either.

I put note on the Doglost posting yesterday to speak to walking groups in the area. It's vast up there but very popular with walkers & hikers. Hopefully she'll be home soon. Bit worrying bout still having lead on but they will normally make way back to where they went missing.

Lit my candle & wished it wasnt needed. My thoughts go to Coryn & her team who try & so often suceed in avoiding this outcome.

I've read this thread with interest as I have a alsation/greyhound cross, he pulls on everything, canny, halti, gentle leader, no pull harness, halti harness. He is very boisterous & has before now jumped & snatched things out of my hands. He plays with other dogs quite rough & depending on whether they know him or not it can be a bit hair raising. He is totally toy motivated. He doesn't attack his lead but also had a really bad jumping habit that caused a few bruises. He didn't show any of these traits on the 3 weekends of visits before we adopted him from Dogs Trust. I do not blame the kennels for not seeing these habits. I am a volunteer with rottweiler rescue, I've seen how kennel stress can affect the dogs, you will rarely find a dog acting in a kennel how it will in a home .It does take a few weeks for them to adjust & find their feet. You are doing the right thing by speaking to the rescue- any reputable rescue would provide you with the help you need. Finding some way to channel the boisterousness will help, I've got Tig responding to hand signals-he will now look to see whether he has to come, lie down or sit- he gets to play ball all a reward. We dont play tugger games, I've changed his food & he is never allowed on furniture. It is sometimes hard work, he can be a handful but he a a gem as well. I dont know all his history- he was picked up on the streets as a stray before he was a yr old. We have bad days where he's an absolute pig but they are getting less as long as I have a toy he is focused, he likes to play with little dogs (probably cos he plays with the guinea pigs I've got) but they dont all like him. 'To me' gets him back for a toy, 'Go play' allows him to play with the ball on his own. I hope things improve for you & now that you have been out together again you will not be a nervous, yes there may be issues but I can see no reason why by using common sense and the help that's offered you dont sort them out. I would have her spayed though if she isn't already done. Good Luck

A wonderful tribute & I've no doubt Rufus would be very pleased to know he'd made such an impression. Our friends are only with us a short time but they enrich our lives so much. You will find a lot of comfort in the fact that you allowed Rufus to make his journey in peace, with diginity & the people he loved around him.

Cant believe these still havent got homes. The three amigos as they are known are so friendly, inquisitive & been no trouble at all. If you are really stuck I can split the rotastacks down to make more homes. Now got 4 set up's which the 3 have full run of. includes, 4 kidney shaped tanks, 5 round tanks, & then bout 6 of the toppers with pods, & tubes galore.Would they bond with the 3 I already have? If so 4 more want notice that much in exsisting set up. Loads of room for seperate bedrooms, food etc, Need to sort fish tank out for other one we spoke about but they are brill & o trouble at all.

<H1 class=heading>Sent to me by one of my Dog Friends. Vets’ secret trade in dog body parts</H1><H2 class="sub-heading padding-top-5 padding-bottom-15">A clinic that makes money out of putting down healthy animals</H2>Daniel Foggo A CLINIC is killing healthy dogs and secretly selling their body parts to Britain’s most prestigious veterinary college for research, an investigation has found. The Royal Veterinary College (RVC) has a financial agreement with a vet’s practice which provides the organs from dogs on a regular basis. An undercover reporter posing as an owner found that staff at the Greyhound Clinic in Essex agreed to kill greyhounds for £30 each even though he told them the dogs had “nothing wrong with themâ€. The clinic is then paid by the college, which specifically insists the dogs must be healthy before being euthanased, for each animal from which it supplies parts. <H3 class=section-heading>The RVC, which is the oldest and largest veterinary college in Britain, admitted that it had a number of similar financial agreements with other clinics to provide specimens. </H3>The practice has “horrified†the RSPCA and animal welfare campaigners and even one of the heads of the greyhound racing industry itself. The sport has been criticised for failing to explain the fate of thousands of greyhounds which retire from racing each year and then disappear without trace. Alistair McLean, chief executive of the National Greyhound Racing Club (NGRC), the industry’s governing body, said he was “flabbergasted†by the trade in body parts. “This is completely and utterly unacceptable,†he said. “It is quite scandalous.†The RSPCA said: “We are shocked by this evidence which appears to show an opening for greyhounds to be systematically destroyed for profit. We certainly would not like to think that there was a financial incentive to ending a pet’s life.†Maureen Purvis, of the campaign group Greyhounds UK, compared the practice with that of Burke and Hare, the19th century bodysnatchers who killed people to provide corpses for dissection. “What this clinic is doing is the canine equivalent of that,†she said. “It is just absolute butchery.†Although the rules governing vets allow them to use their discretion on putting down healthy animals, in practice most are reluctant to do so. The NGRC states that its trainers should put dogs down only as a last resort. “Even a broken leg can often be mended but some trainers see it as simply more cost effective to have it put down,†said a racing insider. It is now apparent, however, that some veterinary practices also have a financial incentive to put dogs down without any medical reason. The Greyhound Clinic is in an Essex hamlet which is in effect a “greyhound villageâ€. The clinic’s immediate neighbours are the kennels of at least six NGRC-registered trainers, two greyhound retirement homes and a practice racetrack. The undercover reporter called the clinic and spoke to Donna Atkins, the practice manager, saying he had two greyhounds he wanted putting down because he “had no room for themâ€. The reporter asked if the clinic ever took blood from the dogs before killing them and Atkins said the Royal Veterinary College sent people once or twice a week to collect blood from dogs being put down, she said. When the reporter called back, Atkins said: “We are going to take the glands as well. Is that okay?†The reporter said it was, but emphasised that his dogs were not old and there was nothing wrong with them. “That’s fair enough; that’s not a problem,†said Atkins. “So it’s 10.15 tomorrow. Bye.†When the reporter arrived the next day, two students from the RVC, who introduced themselves as Demi and Rick, were waiting. The reporter, who said his dogs would arrive shortly with his brother, explained there was “nothing wrong with them†but the students appeared uninterested. Asked why they wanted the dogs’s lymph glands, Demi said: “We take tissue from healthy dogs and we look at the cells and put them in an artificial environment and use that to further our research.†The reporter left but not before paying Atkins £60 in advance to have the fictitious dogs put down. He was not asked to sign any forms and was at no time asked his name, phone number, address or any details as to why the dogs should be destroyed. He also asked Atkins if the RVC was paying the clinic to take body parts. “No, no, we work in conjunction with them. We all work together from all over the place. It’s part of their learning,†she said. John O’Connor, 65, head vet and director of the clinic, told the undercover reporter, who was now posing as an employee of a company wanting to procure canine organs, that he had an “exclusive†commercial contract with the RVC until November. After that he would review the situation and expected “at least £30 per canine partâ€. When contacted later by The Sunday Times O’Connor initially denied a financial agreement with the RVC but subsequently admitted invoicing the college at £10 per dog and being paid. He claimed that he had been paid a few hundred pounds since he began supplying the parts three years ago and that he intended to pay the money to charity. O’Connor said he put down dogs only if they had medical problems or showed aggression and said he would not have euthanased the fictitious dogs. An RVC spokesman confirmed it had an agreement with the clinic but said owners should be issued with a form “to indicate their acknowledgment†of their pets’ fate. “The decision to euthanase an animal must only be taken when both owner and vet agree and the owner has given written consent.†http://www.greyhoundactionscotland.org.uk

Sarah, Sorry for not letting you know sooner, 3 cheeky gerbils all doing fine. Now in new escape proof rotostack mansion with 5 rooms, toilet & tubes. We had one who insisted on being out of the old cage & spent most of the day running round the shed. Spent all day asleep cos he was shattered. They have settled in really well & are so friendly & nosy. Cant believe they hadn't been homed before. Form will come back Monday & can you email me your PAypal addy as well plse

I dont know Celine personally but I do know that recently she did her damdest to save 5 dogs including 2 rotties that were in danger of being pts. One of them a young puppy She was sucessful, as i've no doubt she will be again when she sends out a cry for help. If all wardens were the same so many dogs would be in a better place. It takes guts to be a dogwarden, not to handle dangerous dogs but the 'owners' who see no wrong in their dogs roaming the streets. The abuse they get from people who should know better. I've nothing but admiration for Celine & hope she never finds it necessary to give up her job.

Me again- I'll re-do the homecheck essay ~(lol) when I'm at work tomorrow. If you like me to take the 3 older ones I can-no problem. Think the babies would probably home easier- if not I'll take the babies. Daren't offer to take all of them at the minute as preparing for 5 little guinea pigs as well. O/H is quite happy for a few more little furries but I think any more than what we've already agreed on will send him into shock. They look adorable & we've had them before & they are so funny & a lot more friendly than hamsters. Tracyb

Brought this across from Rottweiler Shack Uk. For anyone who isn't aware of the site owning rotts or any dog- I'm sure they will welcome you on the site. They're volunteers- a lovely friendly group, some who I've met some who I haven't but they know rotts. They own them. You'll also find Jon on there aka zepthedep. He is a RESPONSIBLE Rottweiler Charity- one of the few with charity status-check out zepthe dep website as well. They rehome rotts-only after personally assensing the dog, home checking & careful consideration. They offer full back up & have a fantastic group of foster carers for the dogs. It is the human's that need more education, the breed is a wonderful family dog-in the right hands. A dog left outside in a yard or chained up is not a well socialised animal-that goes for any dog. KENNEL CLUB RESPONSE TO ROTTWEILER ATTACK DEAL WITH THE DEED NOT THE BREED It's time to better protect the public and encourage responsible dog ownership The Kennel Club is extremely shocked and saddened by the tragic incident that has resulted in the death of a one year old boy in Wakefield. Our thoughts and condolences are with the boy's family and everyone who knew him. This dreadful news highlights two things. Firstly, the need for a revision to the current Dangerous Dogs Act to place more responsibility on the owners of aggressive dogs, to cover the actions of the dog rather than the dog's breed or type (deed not breed) and to apply to incidents that take place on private property. Secondly the need to educate the public on the vital importance of training dogs correctly and to punish those that fail to do so. The importance of training and education cannot be overstressed since displays of aggressive behaviour by any dog, regardless of breed is the responsibility of the dog's owner and in the wrong hands, any type of dog can be dangerous. Caroline Kisko, Kennel Club Secretary said: "The key is in taking preventative measures, so these types of attacks don't arise in the first place. These measures include awareness, education and training - the onus being on the owner. A responsible dog owner knows that you never leave a dog and a child, especially an infant, alone and unattended. It is the responsibility of parents, teachers, and the government to educate dog owners and children with what to do and what not to do when they are in the company of a dog". The Kennel Club offers two education programmes; one aimed at children - Safe and Sound, and one for dog-owning adults, the Good Citizen Dog Scheme. The purpose of the Safe and Sound Scheme is to promote the safe interaction between children and dogs, and teach children how to behave around dogs to stay safe. The scheme is in the form of a fun, interactive programme, and is very popular with children. The Good Citizen Dog Scheme, aimed at adults, covers both the theory and practical dog training skills, which are important in everyday life situations. There are three levels of award, adding to the incentive to take part in the scheme Caroline Kisko added "Our deepest sympathies are with the family after what has been a horrendous incident. As far as any future action is concerned we would counsel a measured response rather than an immediate reaction. We have long been working with representatives of the Metropolitan Police and other organisations on our objectives for future dangerous dog legislation, which we believe would better protect the public and the welfare of dogs. The original legislation was drafted in haste in response to a spate of dog biting incidents in the late 1980's, and it's because this legislation was a knee-jerk reaction that it was poorly drafted and these incidents continue to occur. Another hasty decision will do nothing to address the real issues of responsible dog ownership". ENDS

I notice meandmy4 mentions Akita's I wouldn't have one given. I've no doubt they have their fan's but from experience I have known them to 'turn' without warning. Not so long ago Zepthedep & Rottweiler Shack UK held a sponsored walk & 'wedding'. We had over a dozen dogs out that day. Mostly rotts, a lab, pointer, mini schaunzer,terrier, akita cross breed. Most were off the lead during the walk- NOT ONE grumble, snap,snarl or disagreement in any shape or form. All dogs were called back when we saw horses coming, but apart from that they had there walk the same as any other dogs would. What I'm trying to say is, they are responsibly owned, they are given training, there owners work with them. They were a credit to the breed that day-as they are on the many days they do fundraising & breed awareness. I had friends there that couldn't believe the impressive display of a dozen loose rotts. I will when the time comes still have a rottie, one from Zep's who works tirelessly for the breed to re-home unwanted pups & grown dogs. The Shack is always on hand, it's members are volunteers like yourselves. For whatever reason this dog attacked the child. Personally I do not think leaving a baby with an auntie aged 16 & another child in the house alone was a good idea. The child's mother & grandparents were visiting a neighbour. The mother is not much older than a child herself. She will live with this for the rest of her life, blaming her for going out wont help the baby or the dog, leaving a dog in a yard isn't in the best interest of the dog either. It would probably be a 'guard duty' if it knew it's owner had gone out it may have seen the youngster as an intruder. They didn't live at the house from what I've read-they were visiting. What is so sad is the whole episode could have been avoided. There's a lot of good comments been made on here & none more than education is the key. Educate your dogs & educate the owners. Only when we understand our pets more will unavoidable tradgedies stop. They are at the end of the day pets not babies. Four legs & fur react differently to two legs & skin. Give me a dog anyday-easier to train & respects what you do

I have just read on The Rottweiler Shack UK that one of the members had a phone call from her mum today- during which she told her that a 4 yr old has had it's lip bitten off- by a husky! Apparently he was giving it a kiss! It just brings home that children and dogs should have respect for each other, a young child will automatically go to cuddle something big & furry- it's a natural thing. A dog doesn't always want something slobbery in it's face. We dont have children but we have 'young' visitor, she knows what she can and cannot do with the dogs. I dont leave her on her own with them, although they love her to bits & wait by the door when they know she's coming. I dont think we will ever know exactly what happened to the youngster, we can only hope that lessons are learned & try to avoid it happening again.

As a member of a few forums like others on here. I don't own a rottweiler at present but will do eventually. i already have two rescue dogs. However I would not allow a teenager to look after 3 young children at a relatives house knowing that they had a large dog mainly kept outside. If they only had this dog 6mths- do they know the history of it's previous owners. I feel sorry for the tragedy that has happened but pointing the blame at the dog is not fair. Any responsible owner of any large dog would ensure that the children knew not to bother the dog unless an adult was present. I've understood from the reports that the parents were at a nearby house. I had a collie that would have possibly attacked a young child had it been running round the yard-he was frightened of them. We don't know what the reason was that the child was attacked. The whole thing was avoidable, I hope that people do not take it out on the many sensible owners or the dogs. ANY dog is capable of attacking, my mum's a post women-ask her what dogs are the worst for attacking. Believe me it's not rottweilers or alsations.