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right well well well The life of the mother All human life is of equal value. The life of the child in the womb is neither more nor less important than that of the mother. There is therefore no moral objection to measures aimed solely at curing a life-threatening condition in an expectant mother, even if this leads to the child's death. In such circumstances (for example, ectopic pregnancy in the fallopian tube), treatment that is ethical does not involve deliberately killing the baby. If an unborn baby is old enough to survive outside the womb, and if it is thought that there will be problems later in the pregnancy, the baby can be delivered early and steps should be taken to sustain the baby's life. If there is disability, social problems or difficult circumstances surrounding the child's conception, the right response is one of compassion for the parents and the child. It can never be compassionate deliberately to take innocent human life. then it comes back to The right to life of all members of the human family is acknowledged in internationally-agreed conventions and covenants such as: * the 1949 Universal Declaration of Human Rights * the 1959 Declaration of the Rights of the Child, which explicitly refers to such rights as applying to the unborn * the 1976 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. off to read up on them.

am just sat here reading it all up, will come back when i think i have it right I know at 27 weeks i was told they would make me give birth like it or not as the baby was going to kill me ! I did not what that and we had to fight for 5 days till she same anyway.

I don't think my point is clear you all had the right to pick what you want if it did not work out well thing don't remember my one was born at 27 weeks but you had rights to start with, how would you feel if that was taken away ? what you like or don't like think is a mad idea all ok but your rights to start with? your right the mother took on some thing i would not, but i still feel they have that right.

and what happens to the girl sat there thinking there's no one to trusted ? and as i am sure that i was told i should not be talking about the kids i was looking after or there cases I can't see how a working in this friend could do the same! there are 2 sides the mother has rights

No sorry i think she is pushing and bullying her ideas to has i am fluffy ?? is what bullying she is you freind i get that but sorry still bullying . she has talk about some one who can't give her side ( dose she not have rights ?? ) and what if a poor mum is sat there thinking my case will be all other the net so i better not tell to much ?? I think this is very wrong and i fine it hard that people would back that in anyway

sorry but i am not with you mums have rights the girl you talk about has rights to you can't have one with out the others all i see here is bullying at it's best!

No i think we all know it was for me, nice !

we are not talking about the baby once here but the mother rights to give birth I don't have fluffy ideas i have kids remember. But i do think people grown up's have rights to and under my rights i don't have to think like you I do think it's up to the mum how she wants to give birth. If there is no reason to think she would hurt her baby ( which i think that most of use ) then she has rights and as much as you can talk about your job you can't talk about cases I did ask ! you like to think your way is right up to you. I would hope we still have rights under then rights and as a good mum it's up to me how i give birth

I don't want to know what happen i am sure you should not be telling people any of this to start with and it's up to me what i feel what on your say so it happen sorry no, I take on your have a point and yes there people out there who are bad. but i hate to be the one to tell you this most of use love kids and what ever ever hurt them. you work with some not nice people but they still have rights and there story on the net i think should be one. if we take there rights where dose that stand with the rest of use ?? if a mum wants her baby at home then thats her right. it could be wrong but if she wants that and is happy to take on what could happen then thats her right

Sorry but this is getting silly you can't have your kids taken because you want to give birth on your own. do you think buy putting the fear of god into new mum you are helping ? i called my nhs trust after talking to a midwife who i know never well to be told that it was not elegal and no your kids would not been take ( as long as you was not mad to start with ) yes it has a hight risk and no they did not like it but it's up to you they would do there best to stop you but i think that people need to take on how emotional it is for a new mum it can go very wrong because of the midwife or the new mum feeling this was not would she wanted this can go on to a new mum feeling like she has done some thing wrong or feeling low I don't think emotional blackmail will help. I have to say I hated the midwife that was with me and was very happy for her to get out of the room how she passed i will never know, she was rude and tryed to keep be doing what she wanted well it's my body and my baby and i do think it about time that was taken on it's a big thing to have a new baby you have high hopes of how you want this to go yes there a lot to take on there a lot that can go wrong but i think we need to take on how many women come away feeling let down which i think has to be taken on,when thinking about post natal depression. I don't think anyone should have there story on here who is not here to stand up for them selfs sorry but sitting reading about some girl who loss her kids is just wrong what happens when people have to put there trust into these people/organizations hows this going to help I am sure this should not be done. there has to be a 1/2 way house where the new mum is happy and the baby is safe but i think she should stop the Emotional black mail and talking about poor mums that have loss there kids there a lot of good mums out there to that just want there wishes keep.

people just don't think at all.

sorry but they other way round for me this dog is this way because of some one that said they new what they where doing work with collies for years look at all the people round me they are all happy but then i was not happy it all change very fast. if you read your insurance it say they must be trained to! I would never let a vet work on my dogs that was not trained same with the trainer. I have had collies for year and work with them that dose not make me a trainer i might know more then others but thats it. ( I have taken training for the kc classes but just trying to make the point )

on the bed No.. but in the bed well thats ok. Anya playing mummy to Ren

late tonight 11 ish I lock up last night and clean the garden up so there was zip to see. put a big lock on the back and side gate my self still did not sleep much,