Breeders Unable To Sell Pups........

[LisaLQ]

No responsible breeder would have pups knowing there are so many in rescue awaiting homes. Yes I am of the converted, I bred 1 litter and cleared up my own mess. That is why Korky is here

 

Depends on the breed surely. Not everyone wants a collie, or a greyhound, or a GSD, or a mongrel. Some breeds are vastly over produced, but let's hope that your views aren't correct for the majority - we need all the responsible breeders we can get

 

And yes, waiting lists do help, but as I've learned since breeding rats (not dogs, but you get the gist) many people are just so impatient they cant wait, or change their minds, or their situations change.

 

We can have all the waiting lists we like, but you cant rely on them - even if like me you only breed once in a blue moon!

[jackin]

a couple of doors down they have just had seven staffies puppies their two dogs third litter together so they cannot say its an accidenal mating but thats what they say and the puppies are £200 each but none have sold.

[BillyMalc]

Now would be the time for any responsible breeder to not breed any dogs at all, rather than breeding and hoping that enough people will want to fork out for a breed of their choice, to be bought from a breeder instead of checking out rescues.

I always have been and always will be of the opinion that people who love dogs will want to look for a dog rather than a breed as such, who they can give the kind of home he/she needs and who will be happy to be the kind of dog that their "owners" want.

 

Example: I've discovered agility because of Kiera. She loves it and is coming on in leaps and bounds. She is about 5 years old though, and should I want to really get into competing, she very likely won't be fast enough and/or enjoy competing. I've already decided that if it is something that I would want to get into more than we are now, I will, when the time comes, check out rescues with a list of what I would like and what I can offer, and ask them if they have a dog who would be happy to live with me. Under no circumstances would I ever buy a pup who would (potentially!) fulfill my criteria, just so that I can enjoy agility.

 

What I am really really worried about is these numpties who get hit by the credit crunch and think they can make a bit of extra cash by breeding a litter of puppies. FFS these are living beings, not some kind of ornaments who you can chuck out with the rubbish if they don't sell!

[ranirottie]

there is a lad in our village who has two small staffies who lets them breed every season. He says that is "natural". They are not health checked ,KC registered or anything like that so he sells the pups for £100 each and always in the past had plenty of buyers.He is stuck now with most of the last litter because they are coming up to about 12 weeks I think and nobody wants them. He says its because its winter and people dont want pups when its wet, but the summer litter will be ok. That pays for his holiday!! I have spoken to him soooo many times but he simply will not listen and the dog warden says that as both dogs are well fed, look healthy and he does love them that there is nothing anyone can do! So the poor bitch will keep churning out pups for ever more until she is too exhausted to have any more. x

[BillyMalc]

Barsteward! :mad: Would inland revenue be interested I wonder? I hate grassing people up, I hate people exploiting animals even more!

[LisaLQ]

Now would be the time for any responsible breeder to not breed any dogs at all, rather than breeding and hoping that enough people will want to fork out for a breed of their choice, to be bought from a breeder instead of checking out rescues.

I always have been and always will be of the opinion that people who love dogs will want to look for a dog rather than a breed as such, who they can give the kind of home he/she needs and who will be happy to be the kind of dog that their "owners" want.

 

Part of me agrees, but it's not always as clear cut as that. Not everyone wants a rescue dog, not everyone suits the kinds of dogs that are most commonly in rescues etc.

 

Eg. we're looking for another dog, but we cant have a collie or anything lively, we cant have a dog that pulls on the lead, we have 5 kids so we need a dog that's known to be good with kids, we have another very large breed dog so any new dog would have to be ok with other dogs, dont have transport...etc.

 

Whilst we'd always go for a rescue first (and have done - and we also have a pedigree rescue so know that purebreeds come into rescue too), and I dont think I could bring myself to go to a breeder, I certainly wouldn't rule it out and do understand why some people choose to go to a breeder.

 

Not everyone wants a staffie/greyhound/crossbreed/collie - some people have specific requirements, some people have kids and are automatically blocked from their local rescues because of that etc. Whilst most of us might wait months for the right dog to come along, or some people might be able to travel the country trying to find one, I certainly wouldn't judge someone for going to a breeder when their needs were as specific as ours.

 

As it is, we're waiting for a rescue, but chances are it wont happen (kids + no transport + being on long term benefits puts most rescues off), is Blu supposed to go without a friend so that the dog police can make sure no-one breeds ever again?

[BillyMalc]

As it is, we're waiting for a rescue, but chances are it wont happen (kids + no transport + being on long term benefits puts most rescues off), is Blu supposed to go without a friend so that the dog police can make sure no-one breeds ever again?

 

I'm sure that Blu would love a friend, but as it is at least he is comfy, well looked after and well loved, which is something that thousands of dogs are going without every year - not just now due to the credit crunch - because of over-breeding. Surely you'd agree that that is a way more serious issue? And if putting the importance of welfare of dogs above the wants of people makes me part of the "dog police" then so be it

[ReikiAnge]

Now would be the time for any responsible breeder to not breed any dogs at all, rather than breeding and hoping that enough people will want to fork out for a breed of their choice, to be bought from a breeder instead of checking out rescues.

 

I would have had the same opinion a few years back but now I feel the very good breeders (I know some won't think there's any such thing) are totally separate from the others. Not everyone wants a rescue and if people are going to buy a puppy regardless, I'd rather they could go to someone who does genuinely care about their dogs and will always take the pup back, does the relevant health checks, only breeds a few times from the bitch etc., than people who really don't give a stuff, because the latter are sadly the ones who will continue breeding whatever.

 

I plug rescue as often as I can and M-M has been a fab example of rescue, so I tell everyone I can that she's from rescue in the hope someone just might consider going that route next time.

 

I always have been and always will be of the opinion that people who love dogs will want to look for a dog rather than a breed as such, who they can give the kind of home he/she needs and who will be happy to be the kind of dog that their "owners" want.

 

I love dogs completely, but I wanted a black lab pup this time because I do love black labs. I also love Cass and Sno very much indeed but I'll always have a black lab or two in my life if I possibly can, doesn't stop me adoring pretty much every dog on the planet My husband loves the labs but also loves bullbreeds and little dogs, so I suspect we will always have a bit of a mix.

 

I'm now going a tad so shall go and slap myself with a labrador or two

[ranirottie]

I think the world will always need good breeders or we would have no pedigree dogs at all. Some people have very specific needs so their best option is to buy a pup from a breeder and start from scratch. Luckily a good percentage of people are able to find a dog to suit them from a selection of dogs on rescue forums etc.Some people only favour one particular breed and will always go to a breeder for their choice. I dont think breeding is wrong as long as it is done properly. I am a very firm believer that byb breeders and puppy farms should be stamped out completely.But as a rescue I am also very very glad that people will take rescues,especially oldies.x

[LisaLQ]

I'm sure that Blu would love a friend, but as it is at least he is comfy, well looked after and well loved, which is something that thousands of dogs are going without every year - not just now due to the credit crunch - because of over-breeding. Surely you'd agree that that is a way more serious issue? And if putting the importance of welfare of dogs above the wants of people makes me part of the "dog police" then so be it

 

I think overbreeding is a serious problem in some breeds, but certainly not all. The problem is the quality of breeding - the good breeders aren't the ones with dogs ending up in rescues, the good breeders will keep any dogs they cant home or rehome them at lower cost or free to the right homes. The good breeders will health and temperament check their dogs, and breed from healthy dogs. The good breeders will always take a dog back if it needs a new home.

 

These people aren't the problem - the problem is back yard breeders and puppy farms. By all means say that these guys should be stopped, but if there weren't any good ones - we'd only have unhealthy pedigrees and crossbreeds to choose from, and I for one would hate to see our beautiful breeds go down the pan for the sake of other people's somewhat ignorant ethics.

 

As for Blu - if you had to see him pining for Sky every day, you'd get a bit peed off if someone said you weren't allowed to even consider all options for finding him a friend because they didnt think it was ethical. No offense, but everyone's ethics are different - and while you might not care about my dogs happiness, I certainly do.

[BillyMalc]

These people aren't the problem - the problem is back yard breeders and puppy farms. By all means say that these guys should be stopped, but if there weren't any good ones - we'd only have unhealthy pedigrees and crossbreeds to choose from, and I for one would hate to see our beautiful breeds go down the pan for the sake of other people's somewhat ignorant ethics.

 

I am more than happy to agree to having a different opinion, but please do not insult me by calling me ignorant. Just because my opinion is - again, I agree - different from that of many people on here it does not mean that I'm stupid and uneducated. I am well aware that the reality is that people will always want a particular type of dog for a particular reason. It doesn't mean I agree with them.

 

As for Blu - if you had to see him pining for Sky every day, you'd get a bit peed off if someone said you weren't allowed to even consider all options for finding him a friend because they didnt think it was ethical. No offense, but everyone's ethics are different - and while you might not care about my dogs happiness, I certainly do.

 

Again, I'd find it a bit of a hasty remark saying that I would not care about your dog's happiness. I certainly do, but is it so wrong to consider another dog's life before doing so? And please do point out where I said that you "weren't allowed" to consider all options??

For the record, Kiera has spent a few years now with me and Malcolm for company. Kiera is lively and, while a bit fussy about other dogs, loves to play. I can play with her, but not like other dogs can. Malcolm doesn't play, never has, never will. I'm trying to get Kiera to the park at times when there are other dogs about, and try to meet up with other people and their dogs as much as possible, to give her a chance to play. We also go to agility, which gives her both a chance to do what she loves and have some socialisation. So while I might not have seen Blu pining for Sky, I do know what it is like to have to make an effort so that Kiera gets to have fun with other dogs more like her. I can tell you now though, that as long as there are thousands of dogs spending their lives in kennels and euthanised because they are "surplus to requirement" I personally will never be able to justify getting a dog from a breeder, not even if it would mean that Kiera would get a permanent play mate. I'm offering this is my own opinion, not as something that I am forcing you to do or think.

[Helly]

I think overbreeding is a serious problem in some breeds, but certainly not all. The problem is the quality of breeding - the good breeders aren't the ones with dogs ending up in rescues, the good breeders will keep any dogs they cant home or rehome them at lower cost or free to the right homes. The good breeders will health and temperament check their dogs, and breed from healthy dogs. The good breeders will always take a dog back if it needs a new home.

 

These people aren't the problem - the problem is back yard breeders and puppy farms. By all means say that these guys should be stopped, but if there weren't any good ones - we'd only have unhealthy pedigrees and crossbreeds to choose from, and I for one would hate to see our beautiful breeds go down the pan for the sake of other people's somewhat ignorant ethics.

 

As for Blu - if you had to see him pining for Sky every day, you'd get a bit peed off if someone said you weren't allowed to even consider all options for finding him a friend because they didnt think it was ethical. No offense, but everyone's ethics are different - and while you might not care about my dogs happiness, I certainly do.

 

 

Shall we not get into name calling please and accusations that are a little wild to say the least

[gremlin22]

i appreciate in some circumstances yes getting a puppy and starting from scratch is the best way, but why not a rescue puppy, as this thread says, many are being handed to rescues, just becuase they happen to be a rescue puppy doesn't mean their some kind of poor quality version. With any dog (unless you are planning to show it i guess..) it shouldn't be down to wether or not it comes with a piece of paper saying it belongs to some elite club..or not so elite as it is now, it should be about temprement. and a lot of rescues will happily arrange a transport run for a dog if they know it's a good home..

[ranirottie]

I agree entirely with that,but some people prefer a particular breed and the more unusual ones do not come up very often in rescue as pups,which is why I said that some people would prefer to go to a breeder. I obviously promote rescues,especially the oldies,but if thats not what someone wants then they won't have it. x

[LisaLQ]

I'm sorry if I went OTT (I certainly didnt mean to directly call anyone ignorant, I would have said it if I had meant it as a direct comment, I'm far too loudmouthed to f*nny about!) but some of us are having a rough enough day without people being rude about our choices (or lack of them). The bit about Blu was direct, and I apologise for that - although I still do stand by it - it's not someone else's place to decide how I should look after my dog and how happy he is, whilst you may be able to do agility with your dog to keep her happy - Blu is an 82kg dane with a disabled owner, and is pining for his lost companion - he needs another. He's not the only one either - we all miss her, very very much.

 

If there isn't a dog in rescue to fit, there isn't a dog in rescue to fit - there's nothing wrong with going to a reputable breeder if you cant find a rescue dog.

 

As I've said - me personally - I dont think I could go to a breeder (I did once approach one, then took us back off their waiting list as I felt too guilty and went for rescue instead). I am waiting for a rescue dog as it's what I prefer, plus my preferred breed is another greyhound or lurcher and I refuse to buy one when there's so many of those needing homes. However, it's easier said than done - it's looking increasingly unlikely that we'll find one.

 

All circumstances are different - ours are so tight that it is unlikely we'll find a rescue dog to suit, or even a rescue who'll deal with us. Are we to be denied a dog because of that? Probably - as I personally would feel horrendous going to a breeder - but you cant possibly imagine how horrendous I'm already feeling without my Sky.