cocoa Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 can any one help with ideas if i walk my dogs on there own i have no prob,s at all it only happens when i walk 2 or more dogs at the same time. why off lead they are 100% fine will say hello play and have a 100% recall why walking on lead on there own 100% fine, but Ria who will not look at people she is happy to stay with me she does not care about other people at all she is far happy off lead and will walk to heel why off lead at all time ( when ask to )she will only go off once she has been told she can. When i walk 2 at a time,they get all funny with other dogs on why on the lead. now i know this is lead aggression and off lead they are much better but what is the best way of stopping it ? the are all collies and all happy and lovely the rest of the time. they are not to bad but they do bark and must looks nasty to others which can't be nice for them. should have said i have been walking in town with them and we have no prob,s at all now, it's if we are out walking and don't run into people for a bit, then some one with a dog walks passed or on the way home from the walk after they have been on there own for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one.eyed.dog Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 My dog can be a little witch on the lead. I have started making her sit and stay while the other dog walks past. It seems to help. Mine is a pointer though not a collie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracyb Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 My labx is a dream on & off lead, but Tig the alsation/greyhound x either is as good as gold or barks like crazy. He tends to be worse with dogs he's not seen before either. e doesn't do it with every dog either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted June 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 (edited) well today I took 4 with me walking all was great i took a toy to make them look at why walking if we saw any thing but if the other dog gets to close they all start with is bad ! i got them walking back with me and got out of the way. as soon as one of them startes they all start! it's so much harder to 4 dogs to look at you or sit and keep there gobs shut! we will keep going and trying there has to be a way Edited June 27, 2008 by cocoa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs B Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Do you think you could be unintentionally holding the lead tight on these occasions? Very difficult with more than one dog, but try your best to give the dogs chance to move and signal to other dogs freely - they're far more likely to 'go off on one' if the lead's held tightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted June 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Do you think you could be unintentionally holding the lead tight on these occasions? Very difficult with more than one dog, but try your best to give the dogs chance to move and signal to other dogs freely - they're far more likely to 'go off on one' if the lead's held tightly. I so do that ! right will work on not doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_mog Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 hey Anya I don't know how feasible it would be, but could you manage to walk just two at a time for a little while? Thinking that you could get two of your collies to cope better with other onlead dogs, using toys/food whatever works for you, then build up the numbers? I'd suspect that right now what happens is one dog kicks off (can you identify who starts it??) and then pack mentality takes over and they forget about you entirely If thats not an option say and I'll try and think of something else Morag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted July 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Hello I have been walking them 2 at a time. I know my old boy will cry and talk when he see people or over dogs but does not want to hurt anyone he wants to say hello. the one thats ets them all off is a little white collie. she hates the world and his wife. she does not want dogs to come to close to use and will pull and bark to get to them. if off lead she is better and if she see them coming that is a little better. if we are walking on the street she goes mad, she does not want them to cross her and will nip. she has over prob,s to. she does not let people in the house, they can go when they like but if the door goes she will run about and when the person comes in she will bark and go to there back and nip there legs ( if they have said hello or not ) she then runs off and will try and get under the table or sofa. any help would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted July 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 well i have been working hard with her and we are getting better, we got a muzzle for when out as i don't think it nice for my dogs or other peoples from that point it has got so much better. I can walk all the dogs as long as she has this on and they are all great. it has stop all the silly stuff on the head. in the house we will keep working with her and see what happens. I hope we can get her over this in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_mog Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 hey there, sorry I haven't got time to do a proper reply, but have you had a chat with Paul from Wiccaways at all? He's a collie person and usually has some great suggestions, might even be worth all of you going over to visit them?? Number is on the website www.wiccaweys.com love to you and the terrible collies from mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colliemad Posted July 12, 2008 Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 hey there,sorry I haven't got time to do a proper reply, but have you had a chat with Paul from Wiccaways at all? He's a collie person and usually has some great suggestions, might even be worth all of you going over to visit them?? Number is on the website www.wiccaweys.com love to you and the terrible collies from mine! Just to add to the above. Paul does 'getting to know your collie' days when you can take your collie and discuss any problems you are having. Very informal and other owners there with their dogs. There a couple planned soon, cant remember the dates, just look on the site or phone Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 is paul trained ? or is this self trained ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_mog Posted July 13, 2008 Report Share Posted July 13, 2008 if you have a wee look on the website Paul and Sarah aren't 'trained' in any official sense as such, but they've been working with collies and taking them into their house doing rehab etc for years now. They basically offer to share the knowledge that they have gained through their work and see if anything could help you - rather than giving you a whole philosophy to sign up to. It is all positive reinforcement based and collie specialist. (May be crushed for terribleness but in my experience with Finn, actual training counts for very little, its the quality of the person and their experience/attitude rather than credentials as such) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cocoa Posted July 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 sorry but they other way round for me this dog is this way because of some one that said they new what they where doing work with collies for years look at all the people round me they are all happy but then i was not happy it all change very fast. if you read your insurance it say they must be trained to! I would never let a vet work on my dogs that was not trained same with the trainer. I have had collies for year and work with them that dose not make me a trainer i might know more then others but thats it. ( I have taken training for the kc classes but just trying to make the point ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_mog Posted July 14, 2008 Report Share Posted July 14, 2008 Hey there - I totally take your point, however I would question what "training" actually means in terms of dog behaviour. Sure they might be members of APDT or similar which is a great start, but doesn't mean they can deal with actual behaviour issues. I've been exploring some of the training courses out there, and frankly I'm not overly impressed! There is a huge variation in standards and no real industry regulation. I've worked with 'qualified' and not formally qualified trainers/behaviourists and my approach is always the same: can I see the logic in their suggestions, does it feel fair and reasonable and am I sure it will NOT damage my relationship with my dog. If yes to all of those then I'll try it quite happily. My insurance doesn't cover behaviourists unfortunately. It does cover complementary therapies and my Finn has regular acupuncture and homeopathy. We make a monthly 50mile journey to see a vet in Leeds for this despite there being a "suitably qualified" vet in York because they don't have enough experience or the same rapport with my dogs. If you were interested then it might be worth while having a chat with Paul on the phone, its free advice and its always up to you to decide which parts you want to work with. Otherwise I hope you find someone else if thats the direction that will be most helpful. Right now I've found books by Pamela Dennison (american collie trainer) and Leslie McDevitt (american clicker trainer that works with reactive/hyper dogs a lot) really useful. I read a lot, work through the exercises on my own and then try them out in my training classes. My trainer is excellent, but I seem to have a better sense of how to help my own dogs. hope its getting easier for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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