Mrs Mop Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Someone near me was advised to do this with his very nervous GSD, this dog ended up attacked everyone and every dog he saw and had to be pts. This is very dangerous advice, a nervous, hungry dog is a time bomb waiting to go off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple_mog Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 have pm'd you Nat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsay Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Only just caught up with this. I'd suggest a few good local trainers/behaviourists such as Pauline Jackson (has a large pack of gsd and has just rehabbed a very aggressive one) who is on www.apdt.co.uk I think it's East Yorkshire. I'd suggest also a vet check is really necessary although by the sounds of it, the dog was probably not socialised etc and is being a typical frightened, scared gsd What forum is this, Nat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingrid Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 I agree, BUT, it's hard enough to find rescue places and good owners for trouble free GSD's, never mind for ones which have problems. The chances of finding a place for this bitch are slim really. Because she has aggression issues and is probably nervous the owner really shouldn't try and re-home the dog herself. I recently went in to assess a GSD that was diagnosed nervous aggressive, apart from one snap I couldn't get a response from her, as Lindsay has said I'm pretty sure it was just bad socialisation in early life, I would have loved to take her and worked with her but already having one problem GSD here made made it an impossibility. Unfortunately the evening after my visit she bit again and they decided to put her into GSD rescue, the lady who came had the same response as me, so it was pretty certain she would have improved in experienced hands, but most people with the experience already have dogs that have problems that precludes them from taking on another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceymcl Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Hi Nat, I would have said the same as you. The dog should be muzzled and kept on lead when in public and the owner needs to seek help from a very good behaviourist. Muzzling a nervous dog may make them more reactive but they can't bite with a muzzle on and as this dog has bitten several times, I wouldn't take the risk of having her outside unmuzzled. If they are near to Pauline, she would be fab. Lots of GSD experience and experience of dealing with aggression. Tracey xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natpants Posted September 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Thank you so much, you lot are fab. I was thinking about Ttouch actually, would Ttouch help with a dog who is afraid of being handled or would this be a dangerous idea at this juncture? I guess probably the latter but maybe long-term it could help. I'll certainly recommend Pauline, is she on here or DP? if it's the same Pauline I'm thinking of... Thanks for the PM Mog, will have a think about how you could help but I know you've got your hands full Thanks again, i knew people would help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceymcl Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 TTouch can really help with dogs who fear being handled. What I usually do if I see a client with a dog who is afraid is teach the person how to do it and get them to do the work on the dog at first. That way the dog still gets the benefit and I don't put myself at risk. Tracey xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natpants Posted September 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 TTouch can really help with dogs who fear being handled. What I usually do if I see a client with a dog who is afraid is teach the person how to do it and get them to do the work on the dog at first. That way the dog still gets the benefit and I don't put myself at risk. Tracey xx The dog bites her owner though when being handled by the sounds of things and also says she is skint, the girl on the forum was asking if any charities or anything could help, I can't think of any, can you? I've PM'd Pauline on DP (wasn't sure if she posts on here) and asked if she'll go out to where the girl lives in case it's the wrong area for her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlmckay Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 Just to isolate the "starvation" thing - one missed meal does not starve a dog. Sounds to me as if the person giving the advice was trying to find a "driver" to get the dog to pay attention to it's new handler. Unfortunately GSDs seem to me to be very one person dogs and take a long time to bond in to a new handler. They can also be highly strung dogs and I agree that a nervous, aggressive GSD really needs to be in experienced GSD hands. I love GSDs, how have I always ended up with bitzers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natpants Posted September 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 I agree with qhat you're saying dlmcay. My problem was the way it was written, as it was for the uninitiated and gives the impression that if your dog doesn't recall, you don't feed it at all, i.e. you don't give the rest of the food portion when doing other training, you simply put it away, with no teaching of a recall involved. It could take days or weeks without the dog cottoning onto what it is meant to do with the advice given, that's why I had a problem with it. I used something similar to teach Purdie a watch me, and would only feed on walks, but I made sure she knew the command first. I've not heard from the OP or Pauline yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traceymcl Posted September 27, 2006 Report Share Posted September 27, 2006 The dog bites her owner though when being handled by the sounds of things and also says she is skint, the girl on the forum was asking if any charities or anything could help, I can't think of any, can you? I've PM'd Pauline on DP (wasn't sure if she posts on here) and asked if she'll go out to where the girl lives in case it's the wrong area for her. I see the problem. It is something that I think could be worked around - I work with a few dogs who have handling issues that I can touch. I just have to be very careful about how I do it. Regarding the food thing - I'd be quite careful about that. If Cal gets too hungry, he gets really stroppy. Not with people - he's always well behaved around people. But with other dogs, if he's too hungry, he is extremely intolerant of any bad behaviour. Tracey xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natpants Posted October 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Still no reply, not even so much as a thank you. Give this one up as a lost cause I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lindsay Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Shame, but you did try Nat ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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