katie and missy Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 We have had a scary three weeks with Missy developing very slowly a limp that at its worst she wouldnt put paw down at all and was hopping about! after 10 days of metcam and equally as slowly she is very nearly back to normal still a limp but more a stiffness. So we having very small walks no off lead and generally resting up! We have been advised if it comes back again we may need to sedate her and xray which i am wary of as she took a bit longer that they would have liked to come round when she was spayed and dont want to put her at risk if it can be avoided. Back to the point i would like to put her on some glucosamine and chondroitin supplement to just give her a bit of help with her being a bigger dog, my question is how much she weighs 35kg i cant really find an answer on the net and wondered if anyone uses and how they find it? tank u for reading kate x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barty's Mum Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hi, I use Cortaflex for my 28Kg lurcher with multiple spinal and HD issues and it works extremely well for him. There is also Synflex that is cheaper and has had good reviews. Regarding the anaethestic, if you do need to do this, can you ask your vet to use the expensive one they use for greyhounds. It is what I always have had for Barty's sedatives. They come round a lot quicker and with less side effects. Barty (being lurcher) is very sensitive to anaesthetics and I am always ultra cautious with him. Anne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie and missy Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hi, I use Cortaflex for my 28Kg lurcher with multiple spinal and HD issues and it works extremely well for him. There is also Synflex that is cheaper and has had good reviews. Regarding the anaethestic, if you do need to do this, can you ask your vet to use the expensive one they use for greyhounds. It is what I always have had for Barty's sedatives. They come round a lot quicker and with less side effects. Barty (being lurcher) is very sensitive to anaesthetics and I am always ultra cautious with him. Anne thanks u for replying il have a look, and il mention the GA to vet. I would have paid anything to sort it for her hasnt been nice to see my naughty pup all quiet and sad thank goodness it seems to be sorting slowly thank u again xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
merledogs Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Glucosamine is much better and faster acting when taken in liquid form. I use Synflex for my mutts and it's been fab for Milly's hips (she is six and a half now and has been on it since less than a year old). Nothing else worked for her. I've also used it recently on Max as he has a minor spinal problem, and it's really made a difference for him too. I recommended it to a lady who was on the verge of having her 13 year old dog pts as it was really limping badly whenever it walked - it worked wonders and the dog lived another two and a half years before dying in its sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Oddly enough a couple of similar topics have been raised on Dp recently. These were my responses There is actually no scientifically proven recommended daily amount as such (as you get with vitamins etc) but 1500mg is certainly stated as the suitable effective dose for humans on these sites. http://www.a1msm.co.uk/glucosamine-dosages.htm http://www.glucosamine-arthritis.org/gluco...duct-guide.html Flexicose for dogs also contains 1500mg. http://www.flexicose.com/about-flexicose/a...-flexicose.html Whilst Synflex DO NOT recommend their 1500mg version for pets http://www.arthritis-glucosamine.net/comparison.php Cortaflex claim a different approach http://www.natural-animal-health.co.uk/cor...ingredients.php & http://www.cortaflex.co.uk/peoplefaqs.html I have regularly given one 1000mg "human tablet" per day with only beneficial effects This site gives suggested doses for various products http://www.arthritis-cats-dogs.com/glucosamine-for-pets/ So again you can only really try various doses & assess for yourself what works for your dog. Glucosamine is naturally found in the body & as far as I'm aware using more than required would not actually have any detrimental effect to anything - other than perhaps your wallet Most of the products out there contain one or more of glucosamine, chrondroitin, MSM, devils claw, green lipped muscle, rosehip, cod liver oil or omega 3 oils etc. It seems to me it’s often a matter of personal choice & that some of the higher priced “veterinary†products may actually offer little that isn’t in “human products†It may therefore be worth starting reading here Glucosamine information centre http://www.a1msm.co.uk/glucosamine.htm There are comparison of / comments on some products here http://www.arthritis-cats-dogs.com/glucosamine-for-pets/ For those not in there there’s Cortaflex - claims to contain smaller (hence better) molecules of glucosamine & chrondroitin plus hyaluronic acid though I could see no independent scientific evidence to support claims of it having proved better http://www.cortaflex.co.uk/catdogproducts.html Synflex American website http://www.synflexamerica.com/ingredients.php - Does have other ingredients but unlike synflex tablets no nsaids as far as I can see. Cosequin said to be one of the most popular choices amongst vets – but still appears to largely be glucosamine & chrondroitin to me http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod5.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor Synoquin claimed to be recommended by vets to help the natural repair process http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod5.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor Stride http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor Arthrotabs http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor ArthriAid sounds like a high glucosamine content quoted at 500ml as it is here but it’s given in 20ml doses. It’s presumably therefore more like 240mg of glucosamine you’re giving in a dose http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor Flexadin http://www.nutrecare.co.uk/prod6.asp?prod_...et=#prod_anchor Seraquin http://www.seraquin.co.uk/ Limited info on exactly what’s in this Seven Seas Joint care website http://www.jointcare.com/ Choose product range & then click on products for ingredient breakdowns. Seven Seas state • “Eat a balanced diet. Some people claim that certain foods are either good or bad for their joints. There is no hard evidence to support any particular foods or any particular diet regime for joint health apart from eating foods high in the omega-3 fatty acids, like oily fish. A healthy diet includes plenty of fruit, vegetables and grains and only moderate amounts of fatty and sugary foods • • Consider taking a supplement to safeguard the diet. Evidence links joint health with three naturally-occurring ingredients, glucosamine, chondroitin and the long-chain omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA (eicosapentaenoic acid and docosahexaenoic acid) found in cod liver oil and fish oil “ Pedigree Joint Care + http://www.bringbackthebounce.co.uk/jointcare/bbtb/ I seem to recall looking at a pack & thinking glucosamine content etc was quite low but Pedigree claim that “72% of dogs fed Pedigree Joint Care+ daily experience a higher level of mobility within 6 weeks, reduced stiffness, and greater range of motion†Joint Aid for Dogs from GWF nutrition http://www.jointaidfordogs.co.uk/prod_jointaid_dog/index.htm Though at 2% each it appears to have a very low % of glucosamine & chrondrotin to me Although I'd say that generally the higher the ingredient content the more effective it's likely to be in short I'm afraid you can only do your research, pay your money & take your chances in terms of which is best in my opinion - are you just more confused than ever now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celeste Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I've used Glycoflex with very good results, the only draw back is that the tablets were very big and very fishy and Spud hated them, I then tried Synflex which you can get in beef flavour on E Bay, it took ages to have any effect,much slower than the Glycoflex, but once it kicked in it worked just as well. My vet mentioned that the latest research suggests dogs need 2000 mg of glucosamine daily. I think each dog's different, some of the supplements will work better on some dogs than others, you just need to see which one will suit the best, and as I found out, you can get the right product but what's the point if it's a battle every night to get your dog to take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie and missy Posted November 27, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 thanks u everyone i am going to have a read of all the links i have just been and bought seven seas which is 1000 gluc and 400 cond to get her stated with this first and see and adjust as needed. as for taking the tablets she will eat ANYTHING if u ask her to sit and do the game of "what do u want this?"! gets her all excited and she eats it without it even touching the sides works a treat with her. When i used to try and hide the wormers in cheese she would eat the cheese and spit the tablet out! i took her out tonight for the first time in 3 weeks to see my parents and she is now fast fast asleep head on my knee poor baby really tired her out! thanks again everyone really appreciate the posts i do worry she is my first dog and my everything x im still learning and its a steep curve xxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 After using all sorts of glucosamine products in the past (including Synflex which I'm afraid did nothing for my dogs) . My vet recommended Glycoflex II and I've been using this for quite a while now ... it seems to work for my dogs. I get mine from here ... http://preview.tinyurl.com/glycoflexsupplier In my experience the three ingredients that should be in there are Glucosamine (some say Hcl rather than sulphate is easier to absorb) Chondroitin (watch for this as some products have tiny amounts in them) and Manganese which helps with assimilation. (only small amount needed) They are quite large tablets but I crush them up in a mortar and pestle and put in with food and chop them in half if you need smaller dose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mole Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Sorry the link is not correct and I'm not allowed to edit the post The supplier I use is www.vetuk.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen Louise Posted December 1, 2009 Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 Cortaflex has been an absolute miracle for my elderly GSD! Having tried all of the above we were on the verge of having him PTS, we were so gutted as apart from his hips he was bright & full of life We started him on the expensive liquid first & within a fortnight he was walking 10 times better, we kept him on that for two months then we changed to the powder form which I would recommend after using one of the premium products, once the dog is stable you can use the cheaper powder (cortaflex) as a maintainance dose, 10 months later Tye is still with us & still going on his normal walks! We left our vet speechless when we arrived for his booster jab last month! The cortaflex powder costs £16.99p inc delivery, I give tye a dose for giant sized dogs & the tub lasts two months, thats 28p a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katie and missy Posted December 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2009 thank u everyone for posting on this she does seem to be improving having some better days than others so just giving her time and lots and lots of tlc x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruby1Nic Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 Ruby is a Lab and ranges between 30-32kg. She's been on Synoquin for a good 3-4 yrs. She injured her leg as a pup. She's 6 now and does have an odd walk but she's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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