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As is my understanding we have not 'accepted' anything. To accept is to agree, to take that something is inevitable, we should live with it. Who's accepted that we should/will be bombed?? There is also something called free speech, which is why you are legally allowed to say (what I think is very xenophobic and bitter) comments like yours posted above. You may not respect what someone says, but you respect their right to say it. New laws however prohibit speeches/actions that will stir up racial hatred or deliberately lead to someone using terror for political means. Why do you think Abu Hamza was arrested??

Can I ask where this info is from please?

This post has really saddened me. No one has accepted being bombed. Why do you think people have been arrested over them?? Withdrawing aid because of this is a ridiculous idea. Damn all for the actions of some? Much as some British people think we can stomp all over the world and do what we want, we cannot just storm over there whip (excuse the pun) her out of Sudan and come home without there being an international incident. We must negotiate this by diplomatic means, we don't own the world. She broke the law, intentionally or not. Unfortunately ignorance is not a defence under any law? (Although it is interesting to see that supposedly in Sudan if the incident was not intentional then no crime has been committed) Also, the pictures on the BBC yesterday certainly didn't show thousands of Sudanese people protesting, at most I saw about a hundred??

What a well written and informed post

The transformation in her is amazing, you all deserve a medal

And to you Anne For Sunday Amy

RMF: I joined this site two years ago tomorrow....how time flies, I sometimes still see the Refuge as a 'new' forum, but two years is aaaaaaaages!

It's illegal not to. But by your first argument you think the polish are taking the jobs away from the British but this example is of British workers simply not wanting the job. I don't think any employer should use race/religion/nationality as a reason for employment. If the Polish worker was simply better than you at the job you both went for, wouldn't you feel cheated that you got the job simply because of your nationality If the minimum wage is x and the Polish worker stated on their application that they would work for x and you stated you would work for x + £2 and you were both equal, then as an employer I would employ the person prepared to accept less (which is still within the legal parameters of the minimum wage). I do know it is frustrating however when you know you can do a job well and someone else gets the job over you.

For one of my degree modules I did a project on UK bus companies actively advertising, training and assissting Polish people (majority were men) to come to the UK and drive public transport buses. The 'English'/'British' workers simply did not want to work as bus drivers, so what else were the companies to do.

Not sure about most, be I think a lot do yes. I don't agree with a lot of what she stands for and although am loyal to my country I do not see why one should swear allegiance to that old bat

Have you read Murtle's posts - that would put it into context Ain't that the truth!!! Can't stop writing now! lol I really cannot blame anyone for wanting to come to the UK for a better life, standard of living and upbringing for their children, most people want a chance to better themselves, albeit usually financially, but if you were living somewhere and saw a friend/relative etc in another country 'living the dream' woould you say, no I'm staying here as I don't want to put a strain on their infrastructure?? I wouldn't.

But then again the Queen is the head of the C of E so I am now It seems strange that we get new British nationals to swear allegiance to someone a lot of the population would like to get rid of whose value systems do not resemble ours in any way.

Oath of allegiance I (name) swear by Almighty God that on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her Heirs and Successors, according to law. Affirmation of allegiance I (name) do solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, her Heirs and Successors, according to law. Pledge I will give my loyalty to the United Kingdom and respect its rights and freedoms. I will uphold its democratic values. I will observe its laws faithfully and fulfil my duties and obligations as a British citizen. I swiped this from the Home Office website, I know it says I swear by God, which IMO is wrong, but I couldn't find anything anywhere that states an allegiance to any particular religion? Will keep searching!

As a trainee RE teacher, I think that it is right that children, many of whom in our modern society have a secular background, should not be forced to pray for/to any God, no matter what country they are in. To be British does not infer, nor should it, any religious allegiance. Saying prayers in school and learning about another religion's Holy Book is not comparable, one is asserting and forcing themselves upon a child and the other is opening and widening their knowlegde and horizons. Children do not learn about other religions in the same way that they (some) pray to their God.

Absolutely not.

Well yes, there is that That b@stard makes me sick!

Because he shouldn't be able to choose when he dies, he certainly didn't give those little girls that chance, it's the last powerful thing he can do is choose to end his suffering and thus his life and I don't think he should have that priveledge

It was my post that Kathy was agreeing with, I was trying to say that there are people (including myself) questioning their (the McCann's) behaviour post abduction, like leaving their children behind to visit the Pope. And that just because they are in the public eye doesn't mean they won't make mistakes, re-enforced (to me) by the fact that they have made mistakes before they were on this rollercoaster - namely leaving their children behind unsupervised while they went for a meal with friends.

I have been thinking about Claz's original post and if we leave aside what we think happened to Madeleine, one could argue that her parents weren't acting in Maddy's/their children's best interests when *before* she went missing, one can't expect them to now be acting in her/their best interests *now* when emotions such as guilt and the enourmous blow a missing child must have on someone's personality

Kate McCann has been formally questioned as witnesses today with a Portugese lawyer, they are about to release a statement

I think in situations like Zimbabwe and Darfur then *something* needs to be done, there needs to be a UN force/African Nations force to end the genocide and deaths of thousands.

Fank you for the adds I have gone from a buccaneer to a barbary to a corsair pirate in the space of 10 minutes

Does anyone want to add me to play pirates? Layla Cotton-Khan is me name

Because being filmed by the world's media meeting the Pope is actively searching for their missing child Didn't they leave their other children in Portugal while they went to Italy? If it were me, I wouldn't let them out of my sight let alone in another country