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RMF: the free range guinea pig plan is going well, both have spent loads more time wombling about the kitchen than just sitting in their bedroom crate
Farah is ridiculously sweet with them, Finn is not to be trusted 
RMRant: I struggle to understand how someone can manage to have paid for a pedigree lab puppy yet be unsure if they can afford puppy classes because they are a single mum etc. Cost of dog - several hundred pounds, cost of classes maximum of £60 *sigh*
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hope the Shingles isn't too bad Laura
Today is one of those days spent largely in meetings, feeling as though am chasing my own tail. Last night I came home from work, ate dinner and then ended up basically working through till gone 11pm. On the plus side I got stuff done for dog business, on the downside I feel ratty and worn out.
Decision - should I go to a social gathering tonight (and see some lovely friends) or curl up at home with my dogs and take a long bath? Either way I have at least an hour of work to do first once I'm home...
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no one to look after my guys at such short notice
erm - you know its next year...right?
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I did wonder from his book if he'd mostly been training the sort of dog that
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*snort* truthfully I get the feeling that yes, he generally does work with dogs, and owners that perhaps need a less than subtle approach! Does the book go into the aversive citronella collar training stuff too? Its interesting - more so because he presented it in some detail yet there were people in the audience with relatively little experience of training let alone behaviour, and no idea if they had the necessary timing skills to use it effectively...
Not sure there was anything to add to what you're already doing, but happy to send you the handouts?
Fundamentally I may be a softly softly person who just doesn't see the need for causing stress so I'd rather go out more often? For example his video of desensitising to presence of another dog made me cringe...At the point where the dog kicks off you missed all the signs of unhappiness, this is not a success and staring frantically at your face to avoid looking at the scary dog is not my preferred idea of a coping strategy.
But anyway!
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I'm still undecided personally - but the Gadget show had a really comprehensive review of the options recently if you can find it on iPLayer?
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Was great to finally meet you too! I'm in awe of the heels you can walk in too......
Replied in a T&B thread to save RMF
Not random or mundane, but have just heard a staffie I was working with has been put to sleep. Owner felt she couldn't/wouldn't cope or be able to work through his issues, and rescue has made what I think was the only decision they could. At least he is now free of fear and anxiety, but I really do feel for the little dog
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Carrying on a conversation with Khanu that started from the David Ryan chase/behaviour seminars over the weekend - I had commented on the use of NRM (no reward markers) which he uses a sound like "ah!" or training discs for. Its not something I use either with my own dogs or with client dogs as yet, basically because I've never needed to.
Kelly's comment was
By the way I've been thinking about the non-reward marking and keep going thing. I'm wondering whether he finds it useful because he isn't a clicker trainer? I find that the absence of the click is enough feedback when I'm teaching something new, and so don't feel the need for a NRM or keep going signal. However he said that he isn't good with the clicker and doesn't use it, so maybe if your feedback isn't as precise as with the clicker giving extra feedback is useful? Is it that most owners just don't give feedback unless its of the "stop it" variety and he has found that to get them to give the postive feedback he has to allow them to have something for the negative? To get them on board and compliant?I've also been thinking that maybe I do use an NRM of sorts - not when training particularly (as in clicker sessions, teaching new behaviour etc) but in general everyday, I do use "ah" as an interrupter of sorts, meaning whatever it is you are doing, stop it and look at me and be redirected (if you see what I mean) . Not quite the same as an NRM but not a million miles away either I guess.
I'm still not convinced that a watch me behaviour is ideal for fear aggression, but can see it being better for frustration. But my ideal is for a relaxed walk past the scary thing, I don't want to keep stopping and doing a watch me really, I'm happy for a dog to do a relaxed watch of whatever it is - as long as it really is a relaxed watch and not a freaked out stare! Maybe though a sit and watch me is an easier behaviour for most owners to get, would the majority of owners be able to recognise the relaxation you would want? - is it easier to get it in a sit and watch by default? Dunno.....
So why don't I see the need for it??? Maybe its because like you I do more of the 'pure' style clicker training, that most of the dogs I deal with are pretty damn nervous and lacking in confidence - so the last thing I want to do is give strong negative feedback.... Indeed the only confident dog I've worked with that I even considered it for would have seen even a NRM as an attention reward!
I do my sessions differently too, I'm not comfortable with giving people an intense couple of hours then letting them get on with it. I do shorter initial sessions about an hour face to face (after phone calls and vet consent/history) and then at least one or two follow-ups, and for reactivity/lack of confidence conditions I then move them into classes to practice more real-life behaviours.
So I'm actively trying to change the way they interact with their dog and communicate - my experience is people are very very keen to give negative feedback and get carried away with it. Even when training a leave command its hard to keep voices happy and light! So I don't want to encourage the old mentality of correcting the negative - so we usually use witholding the reward and nothing more...
So its still negative punishment BUT seems to have less impact on the dog (but still enough) and makes the owner focus on what was motivating the dog rather than a magic correction word...
Am rambling now so will stop!
PS I don't actually think NRM are the devil's work etc, just not sure needed or helpful when changing the owner's perspective?
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ace David Ryan seminars, some differences of opinion but what's new! And finally met the utterly lovely Kelly-Khanu and Khanu himself
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Hey folks,
just looking to see what other experiences are really - one of the rescues local to me that I do a fair bit of rehab work with has a new policy to follow. Just to make it absolutely clear this has been introduced by a head office type place, the local staff are very unhappy about it and feel it doesn't help the dogs or their work.
Basically, every time a dog is surrendered/taken in as a stray etc the staff have to fill out a questionnaire which includes the (ridiculous) list of 'type' characteristics. If the dog is deemed to have any ONE of these, the police must be informed and a 'trained' officer will assess the dog. If dog is felt to be of type, the dog will then be destroyed.
I'm trying to find out if this is a national policy in any sense, if any other rescues/branches of rescues have been asked to do this and their experiences. Is it in fact a legal requirement???
Many thanks
Mog
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hugs to those that need them
Am going home soon to return lots of calls about dog training, snuggle the puppies and drink a big mug of tea - not so much random as mindless mundane facts!
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If you want to pop in for a bru on your way back thru Mancunia, gis a shout
woot! We're hoping to hit Manchester on Saturday or Sunday if you're around and up for a walk?
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If you come anywhere near me please feel free to drop in for a cuppa. I am close to South Mimms and Junc 22 on the M25, a village called London Colney, x
Hello my lovely - sorry we won't be coming your way this time but hopefully on another trip
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*nom* brown bread with spread, sage and onion slice and sweetcorn
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The mog dogs and Mog (and Sam) are currently on a holiday type expedition in the South of Englandshire
We're staying in the New Forest at the moment (Lyndhurst) but going over to Cornwall for a couple of days then heading to Bristol, possibly Wales'ish and home via Manchester sort of.You can see its not terribly well planned...but if anyone is on our route and would like to say hello, meet the MogDogs and/or go for a walk please shout!
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Squeeeeeeeeee Happy Gotcha Day gorjuss boy - sooo pleased to see he's as bootiful as ever and still with his mum
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Tramadol is an opiate based pain killer - so has pain relieving and anti-anxiety effects but it absolutely is physical dependency forming and animals and humans can experience withdrawal symptoms
There is debate around how much it can cause psychological dependency, but certainly to some extent, depends on the dosage etc.Obviously for Bendolina its just a case of weighing up all the options, but its certainly one reason why its not a first option drug...
Some info from Wikipedia
Tramadol is associated with the development of physical dependence and a severe withdrawal. In both humans and animals.[56] Tramadol causes typical opiate-like withdrawal symptoms as well as atypical withdrawal symptoms including seizures. The atypical withdrawal symptoms are probably related to tramadol's effect on serotonin and norepinephrine reuptake. Symptoms may include those of SSRI discontinuation syndrome, such as anxiety, depression, anguish, severe mood swings, aggressiveness, brain "zaps", electric-shock-like sensations throughout the body, paresthesias, sweating, palpitations, restless legs syndrome, sneezing, insomnia, tremors, and headache among others. In most cases, tramadol withdrawal will set in 12–20 hours after the last dose, but this can vary. Tramadol withdrawal lasts longer than that of other opioids; seven days or more of acute withdrawal symptoms can occur as opposed to typically three or four days for other codeine analogues. It is recommended that patients physically dependent on pain killers take their medication regularly to prevent onset of withdrawal symptoms and this is particularly relevant to tramadol because of its SSRI and SNRI properties, and, when the time comes to discontinue their tramadol, to do so gradually over a period of time that will vary according to the individual patient and dose and length of time on the drug -
Morning :waves: time for breakfast I think!
RMF: I have found one pair of glasses at last *yay*, had lost both pairs!
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Looks pretty good, but not sure if we need a newbie section? If only because none of the areas are so busy that we'd lose sight of new posters?
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RMpiggieF: Willow and McVitie Pig prefer to stay outside even when its raining so long as they have a cover over the run
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It does, but a lot of them seem to be quite loopy. I did start looking at people offering other forms of massage, but I was getting too many 'things that made me go hmm' from many of the more local websites so I gave up.
Call me Ms Nonpersistent...
Hey - I've been at a big national exhibition teaching remedial myofascial release for TMJ problems beside someone doing Hawaiian Lomi Lomi massage and round the corner from the Chinese man who massaged you using his breath...What I'm saying is that if you look for someone who offers remedial work, decent training and experience you'll do okay. The Galen thing is, IMHO, a nice piece of marketing. They seem to be pretty good, but its still massage therapy
Shame I'm not any closer...though in all seriousness we might be coming past you in a week or so??
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Oohh, interesting website riotous! Might consider the seminar on the 18th
I'm going to the weekend at Bishop Burton in September!
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Fantastic to hear about bodywork helping so many dogs!
I certainly don't want this to come across as sour grapes, but Myotherapy and Galen therapy are basically different names for massage therapy and bodywork. There are more people practising this than you might realise, and a good massage therapist is the same thing. Just to bear in mind when looking for local practitioners. Bodywork comes in all flavours
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The APDT and APBC are some of the organisations involved with this, and the idea is to work towards better self-regulation and possibly even protection of title at some stage....I'm quietly hopeful!
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hmmm I used to be a fairly frequent poster in lots of the areas, but to be honest I really dislike the very subdivided broken up feeling, as in for T&B and dog activities there is a million little sub-boards? and a whole area for newbies....which I never remember to visit anyway? Personally I get quite frustrated with it all (and hence why I rarely manage to post on the Wiccs boards either), and the techy problems did mean that the few minutes I had to come on I then gave up!
I would like (in a perfect world)
*fewer sub forums
*return to clear welfare focus
*easier to read training/advice sections
as even though I'm busy I do manage to go on some networking places, so would be happy to make an effort and post more?
September Rmf
in Non Animal Chat
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RMF: parentals visited at the weekend, not much could have gone any worse. It appears that since I am no longer living my life as they expect they are unable to be pleased about anything I do
I honestly never thought they would be like this. Families baffle me 